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Old 10-23-2023, 09:08 AM   #1
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Any advice on what tire pressure to use on my fifth wheeler. The sticker says maximum 80 cold but the service technician at dealer said 65. I these tires are from China Bomb Company Lionshead but I just completed a 900 mile trip with out issues. They’re rated E 10ply on 16 rims. I felt 65 was too little so I put it up to 74. I have a TPS and they did stay consistent and increased to a little over 80 or less. Temperature was typical Florida in October and the tires were less than 105•. Weight of the rig is 9700 dry and 11500 gross.
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Old 10-23-2023, 10:36 AM   #2
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Any advice on what tire pressure to use on my fifth wheeler. The sticker says maximum 80 cold but the service technician at dealer said 65. I these tires are from China Bomb Company Lionshead but I just completed a 900 mile trip with out issues. They’re rated E 10ply on 16 rims. I felt 65 was too little so I put it up to 74. I have a TPS and they did stay consistent and increased to a little over 80 or less. Temperature was typical Florida in October and the tires were less than 105•. Weight of the rig is 9700 dry and 11500 gross.



I would go with the sticker on the trailer. (unless it turns out that lesser tires had been replaced on the unit---of course you should never go above the max pressure printed on the actual tire's sidewall). Did the service tech say 65 after looking at it, or just pull that number out of the blue? Lots of trailers (like mine) do have tires whose maximum is 65.
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Old 10-23-2023, 10:51 AM   #3
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Any advice on what tire pressure to use on my fifth wheeler. The sticker says maximum 80 cold but the service technician at dealer said 65. I these tires are from China Bomb Company Lionshead but I just completed a 900 mile trip with out issues. They’re rated E 10ply on 16 rims. I felt 65 was too little so I put it up to 74. I have a TPS and they did stay consistent and increased to a little over 80 or less. Temperature was typical Florida in October and the tires were less than 105•. Weight of the rig is 9700 dry and 11500 gross.
The IDEAL way to determine the cold inflation pressure would be to first weigh your trailer when loaded for a trip. Take that weight and divide by four which will give you a general weight per tire. Then consult a Load/Inflation table for that size tire's cold inflation pressure for that tire weight.

To be safe, due to how most trailer tires unevenly loaded, add 10% (a commonly used "rule of thumb") as long as it doesn't exceed the max inflation pressure molded on the side of the tire.

Another method that's been used for years to determine a good tire pressure for one's specific use/conditions is called "the chalk test".

First start with the pressure shown on the manufacturer's "sticker" (on side of trailer or door post of motorhome).

Using a piece of blackboard chalk or sidewalk chalk, mark across the tire face and an inch or so over the shoulder onto the sidewall. Only need an inch wide chalk mark max.

Once tires are marked drive down the road a few miles and stop. Look at the remaining chalk marks.

If the chalk mark still remains on part of the tread, and doesn't end on a fairly clean line at the shoulder, the tire is overinflated for the load.

If the chalk mark is missing on the sidewall side of the shoulder edge, the tire is under-inflated.

Ideally the chalk will be erased from all of the tread face, remain on the sidewall, and a clear line of demarcation will be exactly on the edge where tread and sidewall separate.

Here's a Youtube video showing a chalk test. It's on a different type tire than used on trailers but the method is pretty much the same.



As for tire pressures rising while driving, one should disregard this when inflating tires. Tire pressures are spec'd as COLD inflation pressures which mean just when the vehicle hasn't been driven a while and are at ambient temps. It's a MINIMUM pressure for the load and trying to compensate for any temp rise will often lead to one driving with a tire underinflated for the load. Tire design engineers have taken into consideration the increase while driving and the tire will handle the increase. It's important to know that a properly inflated tire will not heat up as much as an underinflated tire so just check before driving and forget trying to compensate for temp rise. It's far more important to have enough air in the tire.

PS: a TPMS is also very helpful as it checks tire pressures continuously, not just once at the beginning of the day and can warn of any pressure loss due to puncture or failure causing pressure loss.
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Old 10-23-2023, 12:31 PM   #4
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The RV tech did verify with his Service Manager. Also a friend of mine who owned a Mechanic Tire shop and RV’s with us also concurred. I will check with Lionshead as well and report what their thoughts are. With that being said I may switch out of these tires soon because of prior experiences with their tires, Castle Rock, Westlake. The tires now are brand Rivergate. They are 10 ply but there are other tires that have 14 ply. I am considering it.
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I use the inflation numbers on the tire.
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I use the inflation numbers on the tire.
Depending on tire and actual load those numbers could be wrong.

Example, the tires on my TV are now Load Range E. Inflation max pressure on sidewall 80 psi. OE tires were P-Metric XL (extra load) and inflation max on tire 44 psi.

Tires are inflated to 45 psi and wear evenly across the face of the tread while fully loaded and towing trailer. 80 psi would cause center of tread wear, reduce tire contact patch causing traction issues on wet/slippery pavement, and a ride so harsh you could run over a quarter on the road then tell if it was heads or tails.
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You should be looking at 3,163 lbs for weight (11,500/4 + 10%) - assuming dual axle trailer. You don't tell us what size tires you have only 16". Here are the weight limits for various inflation pressures:
ST235/80R16: 65#=3,000 70#=3,140 75#=3,260 80#=3,520
ST235/85R16: 65#=3,200 70#=3,360 75#=3,480 80#=3,640

If you have the smaller size tire, 235/80, 65 PSI is not enough, you need 75#. If you have 235/85, then 65 PSI would be the correct pressure. This is according to both Goodyear Endurance and Towmax inflation charts and is the industry standard inflation recommendation for trailer tires.
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