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Old 09-16-2024, 05:48 PM   #1
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Question Gray water holding tank problems

I have a 2002 Forest Glen fifth wheel and my kitchen sink keeps backing up and my gray wastewater tank is full and I cannot get it to drain I'm a full-time RV'r hooked up to city water and sewer and have my gray tank and black tank open at all times so I'm baffled to why My grave wastewater is staying full and not draining I have used numerous over-the-counter products in my sink to and clear any clogs I have used baking soda and vinegar I have using a auger and I still can't find out where the clog is or why it's not draining My husband wants to drill a hoe in the gray wastewater tank and reroute the plumbing in the opinions on any of this
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What is your model number?

First, you should NOT be leaving the black water valve open at all times. You should keep it closed and empty it when at least 2/3 full. Leaving it open means that the solids don't dissolve in the black water tank treatment and that can create a clog that has to be cleaned out professionally.

Second, you're going to have to be careful unclogging the grey water tank now that you've filled the pipe with caustic cleaners.
Is this a new trailer to you or a new problem to you?
Drilling a hole in the tank might not solve the problem. If you're not having water coming up in the shower, your clog might be between at the sink itself.

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What is your model number?

First, you should NOT be leaving the black water valve open at all times. You should keep it closed and empty it when at least 2/3 full. Leaving it open means that the solids don't dissolve in the black water tank treatment and that can create a clog that has to be cleaned out professionally.

Second, you're going to have to be careful unclogging the grey water tank now that you've filled the pipe with caustic cleaners.
Is this a new trailer to you or a new problem to you?
Drilling a hole in the tank might not solve the problem. If you're not having water coming up in the shower, your clog might be between at the sink itself.

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Also is no such Forest River brand, as Forest Glen.
There is a Wildwood Heritage Glen but not in 2002.
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I would start at the sewer end

close all valves and disconnect the sewer slinky hose ....
make sure it is draining
one person pick it up the RV end , another person feeds some water through it


once you are sure Hose is clear... you can use it to run a drain snake into the gray tank

with the hose disconnected lay it flat on ground feed drain snake all way through
then connect it to the RV waste outlet
connect hose with snake already in place (hitting the gray water valve)
LIFT the other end of the hose and snake .......... HIGHER THAN SINK

then open the gray tank valve and feed snake through

use a hand snake (non powered and feel for blockages)

dirty yukky smelly job... but better than having do do the black one


BTW... after practicing with the gray do the black one too
as others pointed out close the tank let if fill up even when on full hookup
then drain and flush it

It should NEVER be dry always some water in it
even after draining I put about 3 gallons back in via the toilet bowl
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From personal experience with my grey water getting sluggish this summer.

You've been advised to NOT leave the black tank dump open all the time. That leads to the solids mounding up and not being carried away by the liquids. Black tanks must be dumped in a whoosh so the liquids carry away the solids.

Grey water, by comparison, is very "clean." The solids are small. But nothing says the grey tank...constantly dry...can't build up a layer of solids that can slow or block the drain.

You say your grey tank is full but won't drain. I'll start with a premise and expand from there. Unlike your black tank which may have a black tank flush, and, if nothing else, has a toilet through which you can feed a hose and inject lots of water at city water pressure, your grey tank has no such flushing mechanism.

A suggestion that may get a bit messy assuming your grey tank is "full."
Get a dump adaper that has a water injector and gate valve so you can push water up into the tank.
Have a "dirty" working garden hose...not your drinking water hose.
Leave the black tank gate valve CLOSED.
Open the gate valve on the grey tank. Grey water should fill the clear adapter.
Keep the gate valve on the adapter closed.
Use the hose adapter to inject a SMALL AMOUNT (perhaps 1 or 2 gallons) of water up into the grey tank.
Have a helper inside the rig monitoring your kitchen and bathroom sinks to see if they begin filling with grey water.
Shut off the garden hose water injector.
Open the gate valve on the adapter and see if grey water dumps out of your grey tank.
Some may dump and then dried clumps of garbage (food particles and coffee grounds and such) may once again slow the draining. So repeat the process a few times until the grey tank dumps with a whoosh.
Next, once you are sure your grey tank is draining, bring your garden hose inside. Be sure it has a shutoff adapter on the end. Point the garden hose straight down the kitchen sink, bathroom sink, and shower/tub drains and run lots of water down the drains into the grey tank to help flush out remaining solids on the tank floor.

Next, the black tank.
Turn off the city water to the rig. With the black tank gate valve closed, use your dirty garden hose straight down the toilet until the black tank is about half full. Add a dose of tank treatment. Let it sit and do its job for 24 to 48 hours BEFORE YOU DUMP. If you only fill the black tank half way, you'll have plenty of room to use the toilet for a couple of days.
Next, empty the black tank. While dumping, monitor the effluent through the clear adapter. If hard chunks seem to be blocking the dump, inject a bit of water through the adapter to push the chunks back into the black tank and repeat the "softening" process for a couple more days, then try again.

The condition of your black tank may be somewhat critical. You MUST keep the gate valve on the black tank closed until the tank is nearly full, and then dump. This carries away the solids rather than letting them build up and dry on the tank floor...A.K.A. "mounding." Then always "chase" the black tank dump with the dirty garden hose down the toilet. But the same thing, to a much lesser degree, can happen in your grey tank. Leave the grey water in the tank to keep solids from drying on the tank floor. Water in the tank will whoosh away the solids, and once in a while you can flush out your drain pipes and the grey tank with the dirty garden hose down the sink/tub drains.

RV plumbing is NOTHING like home plumbing. When you flush at home, about 1.5 gallons of water chase the waste down the drain. And, with your kitchen/bath/shower drains, the volume of water you use at home is typically much higher. And in both cases, there isn't a 30 to 80 gallon holding tank in the lines to give a place for solids to build up and dry.

That adapter I recommended allows you to inject water "backwards" into the dump plumbing and tanks, allowing you to push solids away from the dump opening and get things moving.

Sorry for the short book, but NEVER leave the gate valves open, or solids build up in both tanks. Plus grey water is the ideal thing to use to chase black water down your stinky slinky (or other). Tissue and other solids in black water want to cling to the stinky slinky, but the grey water flush out leaves nothing but a few coffee grounds.
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I have a 2002 Forest Glen fifth wheel and my kitchen sink keeps backing up and my gray wastewater tank is full and I cannot get it to drain I'm a full-time RV'r hooked up to city water and sewer and have my gray tank and black tank open at all times so I'm baffled to why My grave wastewater is staying full and not draining I have used numerous over-the-counter products in my sink to and clear any clogs I have used baking soda and vinegar I have using a auger and I still can't find out where the clog is or why it's not draining My husband wants to drill a hoe in the gray wastewater tank and reroute the plumbing in the opinions on any of this

Given your input, I am wondering if in fact your Gray water tank is open? Could there be something wrong with your valve where it appears open, but isn't? There are a few different valve configurations out there. I'm thinking

a cable or connection became unattached and it feels like it is opening and closing, but isn't?
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Given your input, I am wondering if in fact your Gray water tank is open? Could there be something wrong with your valve where it appears open, but isn't? There are a few different valve configurations out there. I'm thinking

a cable or connection became unattached and it feels like it is opening and closing, but isn't?
Excellent point.
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Smile Gray water holding tank not draining

I had a similar problem on my 1998 Terry when I was leaving the grey water valve opened. There was a long horizontal run between the tank and the valve and eventually it blocked completely. I managed to clear it by banging on the pipe with a piece of wood. Needless to say I keep the valve closed until the tank is almost full. As a plumber explained to me when you keep the valve opened there is not enough flow to carry all the particulates resulting is an accumulation to a point that the pipe fills up completely and no water passes.
Good luck in clearing that blockage.
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I don't get it why someone would go through the trouble of registering here, asking a question and then not coming back to see if it was answered.
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I don't get it why someone would go through the trouble of registering here, asking a question and then not coming back to see if it was answered.
Couldn't they come back, not sign in, and see the answer as a 'guest'?
I agree that's is frustrating to not have the OP post the results.
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Couldn't they come back, not sign in, and see the answer as a 'guest'?
I agree that's is frustrating to not have the OP post the results.
Ever since I deleted my cookies and cache a couple of weeks ago, anytime I read my FR forum emails I have to re-login to respond to a post on a thread. Otherwise I can read all responses without logging in.

I agree that it is frustrating to not have the original poster (OP) to post results. It is frustrating on the other hand to start to respond to a post and then realize that you aren't automatically logged in like before .

That reminds me that I have to get check on some suggestions and respond to the last thread I posted . Hopefully I can do that by next week.

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Yea, it's been 10 days since the OP posted this.
They seemed to be in need of help but they have disappeared.
They may be a One and Done member.
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Whether or not a person comes back or not, I always learn a lot reading these problem solving threads. Reading other responses, researching the problem, and coming up with a possible solution is fun-sort of like doing a crossword puzzle for a retiree.
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Old 09-30-2024, 06:25 PM   #17
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Two tanks

Well all I am embarrassed to say I kinda had a similer problem. My neighbor pointed out my 2nd gray tank. When they went over our new trailer they never mentioned two gray tanks. I noticed that my kitchen sink was backing up. Though I possibly cloged it up with happy camper. Now I look like an idiot for not knowing I had two tanks. I even saw the second tank on the panel but figured it was just generic. The worst part is I have been under the trailer several times and still did not notice it.
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Galley Tank?

Had the same problem when I first started with my RV. I didn't get a great gothru with the new RV from the dealer and this was my first RV experience.
However, after checking out Google, etc. I found that I had a galley tank. The valve handle was not located near the black or grey ones. Finally found it and all is good. Something to check out.
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When I bought my current trailer used, I asked about the second tank ( I read up on the unit before I looked at it). the previous owner had no clue that it had 2 grey tanks. He had emptied the black and bathroom grey tanks while it was hard plumbed at his mom's house. I got it home, and found the broken pull rod, replaced it and then dumped about 20 gallons out of the 30 gallon tank.
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Check your actuating cable

I recently had an issue with my black tank valve not closing. Get under the RV and find your drain valve. carefully cut the plastic under lining material so it can be taped up when you are done. Actuate the valve and see if the valve stem actually moves up and down or side to side. I found my cable sheath end had come loose at the valve. There is a plastic block and a screw that holds the end of the cable. There is also a set screw that connect the cable to the valve stem . This set screw must be tight.
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