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Old 01-14-2016, 04:53 PM   #1
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Hard wired EMS 50 C surge protector

Greetings to all from here in snowy Western Michigan. I just bought the installable or the hardwired Progressive Industries EMS HW 50 C and M looking at options for installation.
Someone mentioned that old coot somehow installed his in the same location but apparently he installed a plug on the device and was able to plug it in so to speak for portability.
I too would be interested in that type of installation if I could get a little more information on how or if it was done. I would like to be able to easily remove my hardwired EMS surge protector in the event that I decide to upgrade my recreational vehicle. To be able to plug or unplug it from inside the trailer would be ideal. The thing is I guess I would have to install to mail and two female 50 amp receptacles in order to plug or unplug the device. Or would it be possible to install some sort of junction box behind the fuse box in order to wire search protector to the fuse panel?


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Old 01-14-2016, 05:29 PM   #2
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Oops...Autocorrected again! That's SURGE not " search" protector , though a search protector might come in handy when crossing the border 😜
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Old 01-14-2016, 05:36 PM   #3
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You are correct with the plugs. That's how some install it. For me, it was just as easy to pull the cord in and connect to the PI then run another Romex back to junction box.


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You are correct with the plugs. That's how some install it. For me, it was just as easy to pull the cord in and connect to the PI then run another Romex back to junction box.


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I would have to agree.
That seems to be a lot of cost ( plugs and receptacles) and hassle.. For what is likely going to be in there for a few years.
Just hard wire, when you sell, either leave it, or reconnect the shore to the panel. Wouldn't take more than 20 mins.


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Old 01-14-2016, 06:36 PM   #5
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Here's one installation of a 30 amps but would be similar for 50 amps...

http://www.forestriverforums.com/for...r-66460-6.html
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Old 01-14-2016, 06:47 PM   #6
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2 pairs of 50 amp plugs would be expensive. If you ever need to take it out in future, you could always reconnect wires using a junction box
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Thanks all...being new to RV electronics, is it safe to assume "Romex" is a generic term referring to all different gauges of wire, including the 6 gauge wire I am going to use to connect to the fuse box? Sure would be nice to not have to wrestle with that 6 gauge wire and use something I could easily bend and insert in the connectors!
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Thanks all...being new to RV electronics, is it safe to assume "Romex" is a generic term referring to all different gauges of wire, including the 6 gauge wire I am going to use to connect to the fuse box? Sure would be nice to not have to wrestle with that 6 gauge wire and use something I could easily bend and insert in the connectors!
Get a section of 6-3 appliance cord from Home Depot or Lowes. Won't take but a foot or two. This wire is a high multi-strand wire and very flexible. Makes maneuvering the wire much easier.
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Hey Fonzie... I don't think that the link you posted works. It linked to some postings from 2006 that made reference to something apparently not related to the topic we are discussing. Can you repost it?


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Aqua man, thank you for your advice. I bought some 6-3 wire at home depot, see the attached picture, and it is as stiff as a board and very difficult to maneuver. Is there more than one type of 6-3 cable? Hopefully, I can return it and get something a little more flexible, if such wire exists.
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PM TURBS. I believe he has pictures of his install. He and I installed mine in Goshen 2014. We installed it under the steps, I did not use the quick connects. I put the LED display under the lip of the steps out of the way of foot traffic so that I could sit in my recliner and see the read out. It is a fairly straight forward job if you are mechanically inclined.
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Old 01-14-2016, 09:09 PM   #12
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Thanks Bomb-Doc. I'll PM Turbs.
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Old 01-15-2016, 12:27 AM   #13
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Just did mine, used 2 range cords and receptacles.
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Hey Fonzie... I don't think that the link you posted works. It linked to some postings from 2006 that made reference to something apparently not related to the topic we are discussing. Can you repost it?


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I talked to FR warranty dept a year or so ago and they explained the "new" extended time period of applying for the 2nd year warranty had to do with the "type of payments they would accept". Not sure how that all works, however, that was their answer and I guess their sticking to it!
If I had to guess, my guess would be there's also a recognition that dealers are not spreading the word, as in not offering it, and FR wants to give new owners a longer period to apply.
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I talked to FR warranty dept a year or so ago and they explained the "new" extended time period of applying for the 2nd year warranty had to do with the "type of payments they would accept". Not sure how that all works, however, that was their answer and I guess their sticking to it!
If I had to guess, my guess would be there's also a recognition that dealers are not spreading the word, as in not offering it, and FR wants to give new owners a longer period to apply.
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Aqua man, thank you for your advice. I bought some 6-3 wire at home depot, see the attached picture, and it is as stiff as a board and very difficult to maneuver. Is there more than one type of 6-3 cable? Hopefully, I can return it and get something a little more flexible, if such wire exists.Attachment 97838


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The cable you got, was standard multi strand 6-3, ask for appliance cord. It has about 3-4 times as many strands and is highly flexible. It would be the same type of cord Dwilcox used on his install. I think it cost around $5.00 a foot when I bought mine. Bought a new EMS to put in the Georgetown, but haven't installed it yet. Will try to make it out to HD and check price of wire.
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Here's my installation. I figured I'd save the cost of the plugs & sockets and do a "permanent" install. If I ever want to remove the unit it will be a much easier job to remove the unit and splice the wires than the initial install was... plus it has a bypass switch on the control unit if you ever need to do that.

http://www.forestriverforums.com/for...d-94602-3.html

Later on in the thread I show how I mounted the display unit inside the coach.

Just another option.
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Old 01-16-2016, 01:55 PM   #19
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Aqua man thanks for the advice...I want to both Home Depot and Lowe's and the only cable they had that meets the specifications were range cables with the plugs attached.


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Old 01-16-2016, 02:59 PM   #20
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It is also referred to as "SO" cord. S oh not S zero.
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