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Old 05-27-2024, 04:19 PM   #1
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Maybe off topic, generator issues.

This post doesn't directly relate to my camper, but I brought out my generator yesterday to exercise it and so I could run the AC in the camper while I do some work inside. Long story short, didn't work out. I know lots of folks here have small engine experience so I'm asking for advice, because I feel like I'm missing something simple.

Genny is a Westinghouse iGen4500dfc (dual fuel).
https://westinghouseoutdoorpower.com...with-co-sensor

When I first got it, I filled oil, did all the things, and it worked beautifully on propane. Yesterday I used the same propane tank, same hose and regulator, and pulled the genny out from indoor storage. Would not start on propane, either with electric start (which was weak) or pull start. Fuel selector is set to propane.

Charged it overnight, and bought a new full propane tank this morning, because the other one looked a little ragged. Same result. Doesn't even cough when the starter is turning it over.

I'm looking for suggestions from the knowledgable folks here of where to troubleshoot first.

Oh, and if you're going to say, put in some gas and try it that way, you're absolutely right. I have a full gas can that I tried using. The new kid proof, or idiot proof, or whatever gas cans are crap. This one no matter what I do will do nothing more than leak around the cap, but not dispense gas. Trying the genny on gas is my intended next step.
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Old 05-27-2024, 04:24 PM   #2
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spray some starter fluid into the air filter
spray about 1-2 seconds NOT a lot

if it kicks OVER and tries to run you know you have a fuel problem
spray a few times until fuel gets sucked into through the carb

If it does NOT kick over ... electrical problem
look for a on/off switch
check sparkplug lead
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Old 05-27-2024, 04:26 PM   #3
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Forgot

+ check oil level
if it leaked or is LOW may not start!
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Old 05-27-2024, 04:49 PM   #4
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Thanks. I didn't see any sign of oil leakage, and the generator only has about 2 hours on it, run off propane. I will try using some starter fluid (go juice) to see what it does, as well as putting some gas in it to see if it starts that way. I did make sure the fuel selector was set to propane. Even tried it the other way to see if anything changed.
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Old 05-27-2024, 04:51 PM   #5
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spray some starter fluid into the air filter
spray about 1-2 seconds NOT a lot

if it kicks OVER and tries to run you know you have a fuel problem
spray a few times until fuel gets sucked into through the carb

If it does NOT kick over ... electrical problem
look for a on/off switch
check sparkplug lead
On/Off switch is on, battery has a good charge on it (though I haven't measured, it didn't struggle trying to turn over on electric start). I tried both the electric starter and the pull starter. Again, not even a cough.
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Old 05-27-2024, 04:54 PM   #6
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I am now wondering if I could have water in the fuel system. I have seen someone post here who had only run off of propane and had water in the carb. I live on a saltwater canal in a really humid environment. The generator was run for about 2 hours when new, on propane, then I stored it inside, but not climate controlled for about 5 months.
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Old 05-27-2024, 06:26 PM   #7
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Red lite on that switch is lit for starting?
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Old 05-27-2024, 07:02 PM   #8
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Red lite on that switch is lit for starting?
Yes, it tries to start a couple of times and then gives up. Using the keyfob, the starter button, and trying the pull cord. Acts like no fuel.
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Old 05-28-2024, 08:36 AM   #9
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Iím not familiar with that generator but I did have a dual fuel campion. Here are a couple of things to check.

Make sure the regulator is tight on the tank. Sometimes the mechanism in the tank valve wonít open if itís not very tight. Seen this on other propane items like fire pits.

I always waited a few minutes after opening the tank valve before starting it. Seemed to help with quicker starts.

I put a solar trickle charger on the generator battery so it was fully charged before turning the generator on. If itís inside put a plug in trickle charger on it.


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Old 05-28-2024, 09:38 AM   #10
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One thing to try is to open the propane tank valve very slowly. If it is on, close the valve and let it sit for a few minutes, then open it very slowly. There is a safety shutoff valve in the tank ( thank Federal regulator for that )
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Old 05-28-2024, 08:30 PM   #11
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New-fangled cans

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Oh, and if you're going to say, put in some gas and try it that way, you're absolutely right. I have a full gas can that I tried using. The new kid proof, or idiot proof, or whatever gas cans are crap. This one no matter what I do will do nothing more than leak around the cap, but not dispense gas. Trying the genny on gas is my intended next step.
Those new-fangled cans are difficult.

First, they hide a little plastic disc under the spout. You have to take it out, or nothing flows.

Then they put an automatic plunger valve on them (ordered by EPA). You have to squeeze the safety, then pull the end of the spout towards the can (telescope it inward) for fuel to flow. It takes three hands to do this and get the spout/can into the filler. EPA thinks you are supposed to hook that spout lever on to the edge of the tank, doesn't work well on my lawn mower.

And don't forget that they failed to put a vent on the new cans.

This great video shows you how to fix these new cans.
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ON my Predator, I installed a propane conversion kit and when I start it I have to press a button on the regulator to help purge the air out of the line so the Propane can get to the carb. Possible you have something along those lines on your unit?
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Old 05-29-2024, 06:40 AM   #13
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Those new-fangled cans are difficult.

First, they hide a little plastic disc under the spout. You have to take it out, or nothing flows.

Then they put an automatic plunger valve on them (ordered by EPA). You have to squeeze the safety, then pull the end of the spout towards the can (telescope it inward) for fuel to flow. It takes three hands to do this and get the spout/can into the filler. EPA thinks you are supposed to hook that spout lever on to the edge of the tank, doesn't work well on my lawn mower.

And don't forget that they failed to put a vent on the new cans.

This great video shows you how to fix these new cans.
Thanks Larry. These things are maddening.
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ON my Predator, I installed a propane conversion kit and when I start it I have to press a button on the regulator to help purge the air out of the line so the Propane can get to the carb. Possible you have something along those lines on your unit?
I checked for that, and I don't have a primer button on my regulator. I wasn't able to troubleshoot yesterday due to storms (and work) but hopefully today I can try a couple more things.
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Old 05-29-2024, 08:10 AM   #15
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You only need 3 things: air (check), fuel (check), and spark (???).

Spark plug is highly suspect if it won't start on starting fluid.

Remove and verify the spark plug gap. Plug should smell like gas if it's getting fuel.

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