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Old 02-11-2017, 10:09 PM   #1
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New EMS at Progressive?

New EMS at Progressive? What happened to the "C" series here?
EMS-PT50C 50 Amp Portable EMS

Looks like it has been replaced with the "X" series?
http://www.progressiveindustries.net/

Progressive Industries RV Surge and Electrical Protection industry lea
Anyone see a difference other than the waterproof covers?

It looks like the EMS-HW50C (hardwired retains the "C")
Discuss......
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Old 02-12-2017, 08:57 PM   #2
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My last one did not make it through Hurricane Matthew, it leaked and got a error code. I was starting a trip and didn't have time to let them send me a replacement. I don't live to far from there office and asked if I could bring mine by, they said yes and I got one with the new shield and so far it works great
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I prefer the portable. I want to be able to read the readout at a glance, so the water cover would get in the way of that. Probably a good idea though. Mine laid on the ground at (also in, also under) Lake FROG for a week last August........and still works great, though. It hangs outside in the weather in my driveway year round.
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I reworked the main power entry in order to put my 30C inside. Don't have to worry about water or theft.
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Looks like it's all visual upgrades. Same thing on the inside. I prefer my hardwired version over a portable.
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Old 02-12-2017, 11:07 PM   #6
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New Sheriff In Town...

Move over Progressive...Hughes has just upped the Ante big time:

https://hughesautoformers.com

Finally a Autoformer & EMS all in one!
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Old 02-13-2017, 04:21 AM   #7
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Move over Progressive...Hughes has just upped the Ante big time:

https://hughesautoformers.com

Finally a Autoformer & EMS all in one!

Although it has a higher Joule rating I don't know how much of a game changer it is. I am biased to both as I have both, the original Hughes 30 AMP autoformer and the PI EMS-HW30C.

The Hughes always claimed to have built in surge protection but never listed a Joule rating, I see the new model now lists 4800 as opposed to the PI's 1790.

The Hughes Autoformer however does not do a lot of what the PI unit will such as shutting down all power automatically due to a park power issue where the Hughes will apparently just provide an indication via indicator lights.

The new Hughes.
  • 30 Amp – 3,600 Watts capacity
  • Fully automatic 10% boost when needed
  • Complete LED Park Power Diagnostics
  • Boost indicator light
  • 4800 Joules of Advanced Surge Protection Built-in
  • Replaceable Surge Protection Unit
  • Voltage Booster & Surge Protection in One Package
Compared to the 30 AMP PI unit.

• Over/Under voltage Protection
• Open Ground, Open Neutral & Reverse Polarity Detection
• Open Ground, Open Neutral & Reverse Polarity Protection
• Accidental 240V Protection
• Miswired Pedestal Indication
• Surge Failure Indicator
• Amperage Meter Display
• Previous Error Code
• A/C Frequency Protection
• Time Delay (136 seconds)
• Adjustable Time Delay
• Thermally Protected
• Built-in Scrolling Digital Display
• Remote Display

Surge Protection: 3-Mode / 1,790J / 44,000A Ratings: 30A / 120V / 3,600W
Operating Temperatures: -40C to +105C
Product Dimensions: 9" W x 5" H x 5" D


Get both, you can never have enough indicator lights or digital displays!




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Move over Progressive...Hughes has just upped the Ante big time:

https://hughesautoformers.com

Finally a Autoformer & EMS all in one!
Not hardly a game changer. Not even in the same league. Still doesn't offer protection from all the issues that PI give you shut down protection from. Those are the ones you need to worry about most, it's not surges. Hughes costs way more, does less, and only 2 year warranty.
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The water cover does not get in the way of the readout, the cover only covers up the plug. I have a pull handle on my 50amp cable and it gets in the way of the cover but so far it works greatClick image for larger version

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Old 02-13-2017, 08:11 AM   #10
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Get both, you can never have enough indicator lights or digital displays!




Well, I am with you there Mr. Havercamp (we do have both )

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Not hardly a game changer. Not even in the same league. Still doesn't offer protection from all the issues that PI give you shut down protection from. Those are the ones you need to worry about most, it's not surges. Hughes costs way more, does less, and only 2 year warranty.
I don't thing you appreciate what a Autoformer does. Why would you need to have a warning light and cutoff circuits for low voltage when the purpose of the Autoformer is to boost and provide attenuated voltage (boosting under voltage and limiting over voltage)

It's sorta the reason you buy a Autoformer
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The water cover does not get in the way of the readout, the cover only covers up the plug. I have a pull handle on my 50amp cable and it gets in the way of the cover but so far it works greatAttachment 129712
You're right. I didn't look closely enough. They moved the display up above the cover. I was thinking (not always good!) just by a glance that the cover would cover up where my current display is.

So if the water cover doesn't cover the plug in/receptacle, and it doesn't cover the display.........what is it covering up?

And I would like to have an autoformer. But one without neat displays and readouts and blinking lights? Well ok, that one has blinking lights.

Maybe someone will truly marry these two devices some day, and not a 'shotgun wedding', either! LOL

(And I still like the portable way way gooder!)
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Old 02-14-2017, 05:02 AM   #12
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I don't thing you appreciate what a Autoformer does. Why would you need to have a warning light and cutoff circuits for low voltage when the purpose of the Autoformer is to boost and provide attenuated voltage (boosting under voltage and limiting over voltage)

It's sorta the reason you buy a Autoformer
I guess the possibility exists for voltage to drop low enough that the autoformer could not boost above the PI's low threshold which I believe is 104 volts. I think for that to happen the line voltage would need to be down to below 94 volts.

I have had my PI unit cut power for high voltage with the autoformer in the circuit. The autoformer drops out of out boost at around 125 volts line voltage no load. We had no power in that situation due to the PI cutoff as it was reading 142 volts. I solved it that time by plugging in a 1500 watt quartz heater at the power pedestal, and let it contribute to global warming all weekend in August. It kept the voltage down below the 132 volt PI high threshold. The guy on the site next door thought I was nuts with the heater outside, but I was probably saving his stuff too as it was a shared pedestal.

One thing for sure, if a park has power issues I will be the one to find it.
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The autoformer drops out of out boost at around 125 volts line voltage no load. We had no power in that situation due to the PI cutoff as it was reading 142 volts. I solved it that time by plugging in a 1500 watt quartz heater at the power pedestal, and let it contribute to global warming all weekend in August. It kept the voltage down below the 132 volt PI high threshold. The guy on the site next door thought I was nuts with the heater outside, but I was probably saving his stuff too as it was a shared pedestal.

One thing for sure, if a park has power issues I will be the one to find it.


Remind me to pack a extra Progressive EMS when we camp together next time...
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Move over Progressive...Hughes has just upped the Ante big time:



https://hughesautoformers.com



Finally a Autoformer & EMS all in one!


I own that unit... and a Progressive EMS. The Hughes Autoformer, although serves its own purpose, is not an EMS and does not replace the protection of the EMS.
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I own that unit... and a Progressive EMS. The Hughes Autoformer, although serves its own purpose, is not an EMS and does not replace the protection of the EMS.
Actually, the new Autoformer DOES

(We own the older Autoformer + Progressive 50AMP Hardwired EMS as Well)
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Actually, the new Autoformer DOES



(We own the older Autoformer + Progressive 50AMP Hardwired EMS as Well)


The new Autoformer has surge protection. It doesn't monitor (and shutdown where problems are found) all the things that an EMS does.

I own the new 50 amp Autoformer in addition to the 50 amp Progressive EMS.

Not knocking the Autoformer (I like having it), but it doesn't replace the EMS.
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I have two of the Hondas also, but have found they do not provide the same type of boost !
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