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Old 01-24-2017, 09:45 AM   #21
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You folks do know that there's an "extended run" kit available for the 2k Honda's, right? Basically an external gas tank (like found on boats) that includes the special replacement gas cap and appropriate hose. Greatly extends run time.
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Old 01-24-2017, 10:18 AM   #22
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The subject of generators is about the same as oil brands, air in tires or anything else. Each of us have our specific favorites and reasons we appreciate them, others have that brand because others say it's the best, while others are able to afford whatever it is. I currently have 3 different genny's, each is a different brand and were purchased for different reasons. No way could I carry the home power unit out camping (large Honda unit). When I needed a small 1 out the back woods & for the snow mobile trailer (inverter wasn't needed, lights only), I purchased 1 from Harbor Freight which has served well. After getting the 26RR, I purchased another which has 30Amp capability and works fine.
I know many won't agree and have their reasons ~ but I'll toss it out there anyhow. Harbor Freight has changed their small genny (like my original) to an inverter type which is very comparable to the Honda EU2000, except for the price difference.
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4.7 hrs Run Time 3.1 hrs
61dB Noise Level 59dB
48 Lbs Weight 45.6 Lbs
1.2 gal Tank Size .95 gal
3 Outlets 3
yes Overload Protection yes
79.7cc Engine size 98.5cc
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Since most private camp grounds don't allow the use of generators and most State camp grounds have specific operating hours, the 2 dB noise level difference should not be an issue.
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Old 01-24-2017, 11:41 AM   #23
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Question on rv's with 50a service. Can you hook-up 2 generators (same size)? One on each leg of the 220v service ?
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Old 01-24-2017, 12:37 PM   #24
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Question on rv's with 50a service. Can you hook-up 2 generators (same size)? One on each leg of the 220v service ?
We've had some previous discussion about this and also using separate inverters to power each leg. While it could be done, I think the general consensus was/is, it's probably not the best of ideas.
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Old 01-24-2017, 12:57 PM   #25
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VERY few RVs have 220/240VAC service. Most have TWO 110VAC lines coming in which is NOT the same as 220VAC. I imagine you could have a special cable fabricated that would allow you to connect two separate generators simultaneously to the same 50A RV input, each generator feeding a different 110VAC leg of said 50A RV input. I don't know if a differerence in the phase could cause a problem. If you're really serious about this topic, I would ask an RV electrical specialist like Mike Sokol about the best way to safely go about it.

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Old 01-24-2017, 01:42 PM   #26
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The subject of generators is about the same as oil brands, air in tires or anything else. Each of us have our specific favorites and reasons we appreciate them, others have that brand because others say it's the best, while others are able to afford whatever it is. I currently have 3 different genny's, each is a different brand and were purchased for different reasons. No way could I carry the home power unit out camping (large Honda unit). When I needed a small 1 out the back woods & for the snow mobile trailer (inverter wasn't needed, lights only), I purchased 1 from Harbor Freight which has served well. After getting the 26RR, I purchased another which has 30Amp capability and works fine.

I know many won't agree and have their reasons ~ but I'll toss it out there anyhow. Harbor Freight has changed their small genny (like my original) to an inverter type which is very comparable to the Honda EU2000, except for the price difference.

As always, not trying to start any fires or dispute anyone else ~ just typing out information from their sight.



Predator 2000 Honda

1600W Running Wattage 1600W

4.7 hrs Run Time 3.1 hrs

61dB Noise Level 59dB

48 Lbs Weight 45.6 Lbs

1.2 gal Tank Size .95 gal

3 Outlets 3

yes Overload Protection yes

79.7cc Engine size 98.5cc

yes Low oil yes

yes Parallel Capable yes

yes Power Saver yes



As mentioned, just for informational purposes.

Since most private camp grounds don't allow the use of generators and most State camp grounds have specific operating hours, the 2 dB noise level difference should not be an issue.

Your right, 2db should not be an issue except to your neighbor. 2db is still a lot of noise. My 0.02.


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Old 01-24-2017, 01:46 PM   #27
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Your right, 2db should not be an issue except to your neighbor. 2db is still a lot of noise. My 0.02.


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"they" say that people can't hear a difference until the difference is 3db. I would contend that 2db is NOT a lot of noise.

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Old 01-24-2017, 02:02 PM   #28
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"they" say that people can't hear a difference until the difference is 3db. I would contend that 2db is NOT a lot of noise.

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Old 01-24-2017, 02:10 PM   #29
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You shouldn’t run two unsynchronized generators, one on each leg, on a 50 amp RV. The two legs of an RV 50 amp service share the neutral wire, which is only sized to handle 50 amps. When two inverter generators are hooked together, their outputs are synchronized like our home’s split-phase service so that while one leg goes positive, the other leg is going negative. Many inverter generators are designed to synchronize with another similar model and work well together.

Unsynchronized generators would both be putting their current load on the neutral wire as they moved in and out of phase. This would add the two current loads together on the neutral wire and be unwise.
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I use a Boliy 3600Si runs a 13500 btu ac and has the 30amp RV plug in. Weight is 70 # has wheels and handle, Electric start. Also available extended run time kit installed. DB is very close to a Honda . Free shipping included. Later RJD
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I won't fight you. I have heard the difference. Your thoughts are different than mine.
I'm not trying to prove you wrong........

However, I think there is more going on with the 2db. Some other difference that is more notable.

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Sound studies tell us time and again that a 3dBA increase in sound level is barely noticeable to the human ear. In fact, you have to raise a sound level by 5dBA before most listeners report a noticeable or significant change.

I only point this out so as to not have the db rating be *everything*. I maintain that the tone is just as important as a few (1-5, perhaps) db.

I don't go camping to listen to any generator (of course, I've been the source at times, too), be it 59 or 61db. Personally, I prefer the sound of solar. Still waiting on the solar air conditioner, naturally.
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decibel is a logarithmic statement ... a ratio of power in and power out. Each 3 dB increase doubles the power (you know... PIE) and -3dB halfs it.... 4 times the power is an increase of 6dB ... a factor of 2. It is said, that to our non-linear ears (some better than others) hear best from 1000 to 5000 Hz... and it takes about 10dB increase for person with good hearing to perceive the volume doubling. But that is subject to opinion. Of course, it all depends on the frequency. Normal conversation is around 60dB.

Here's one guy's explanation

https://geoffthegreygeek.com/amplifier-power/

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Old 01-24-2017, 05:25 PM   #33
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I'm not trying to prove you wrong........

However, I think there is more going on with the 2db. Some other difference that is more notable.

From here:
How Much is a Decibel? Sound Perception Vs. Reality | Acoustics By Design

Sound studies tell us time and again that a 3dBA increase in sound level is barely noticeable to the human ear. In fact, you have to raise a sound level by 5dBA before most listeners report a noticeable or significant change.

I only point this out so as to not have the db rating be *everything*. I maintain that the tone is just as important as a few (1-5, perhaps) db.

I don't go camping to listen to any generator (of course, I've been the source at times, too), be it 59 or 61db. Personally, I prefer the sound of solar. Still waiting on the solar air conditioner, naturally.

I whole heartedly agree with both you and mzbrandi, one may be able to notice 2 dB where another can't. Just about anyone will notice the actual TONE difference, for example ~ I can't conduct a conversation on any phone if the person on the other end has a high pitched voice, I simply cannot understand what they're saying. Then again, a low bass musical tone sound just seems to drill into my head. Guess that's what I get for playing on the flight decks too long!

This is my point ~ IF I'm going camping where I'll be boon docking, I'm sure not that worried about neighbors being close enough to me for only a couple of dB's when I need to run the genny's and recharge the battery.

Boon docking is just that, have some consideration or scoot over a bit farther. I'm not that inconsiderate of fellow campers, but I won't put up with grief if they've got motorbikes, 4 wheelers and a herd of youngun's running around screaming either. But that's my nickels worth.
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