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06-17-2020, 08:58 PM
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Bearing Grease Seals Determination
I'm planning on repacking my 2011 Palomino Sabre 36RTE wheel bearings. How does one go about identifying what replacement grease seals I'll need? Thanks in advance for any advice!
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06-17-2020, 10:31 PM
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What I did with my trailer was to just take the drum off and read the number. I did the same for the bearings. You can usually determine it from the axle id as well.
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06-17-2020, 10:37 PM
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Based on the weight rating of the axle, a bearing shop can certainly tell you what will fit the race. I’m sure if you can come up with the axle size, someone here can spit out the numbers for you. Possibly someone finding this post has the same model palomino and knows from repacking.
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06-17-2020, 10:52 PM
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Thanks for the speedy response! How do you determine axel size?
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06-17-2020, 10:53 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by babock
What I did with my trailer was to just take the drum off and read the number. I did the same for the bearings. You can usually determine it from the axle id as well.
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Thanks for the speedy response! Where do I find axel id?
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06-17-2020, 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr ROK
Thanks for the speedy response! Where do I find axel id?
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If you are lucky, its still attached to the axle. Usually a sticker.
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06-18-2020, 01:08 PM
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Pull the existing bearings and clean off the grease to find the part numbers. I have Pioneer Rim and Wheel in my town. Their parts guys are so good they just glance at my old parts and know what they are.
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06-18-2020, 01:32 PM
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About to do mine for first time. Looking at stuff on Amazon, saw this seal puller tool for $11.69: https://www.amazon.com/Lisle-56750-S...TZBJJM43Y&th=1
Worth it, or waste of money?
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06-18-2020, 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by NJKris
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That's the one I have. Sometimes I have to hit it with a hammer if the seal had an adhesive on it when installed.
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06-18-2020, 02:01 PM
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Ok, so better than a long screwdriver. Do you always replace your seals, or is it possible to re-use them if they are not damaged?
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06-18-2020, 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by NJKris
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This is what I have, and it is definitely worth it.
To answer your question regarding replacing the seals...yes, replace them. It is sometimes difficult not to damage them when removing.
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06-18-2020, 02:17 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by NJKris
Ok, so better than a long screwdriver. Do you always replace your seals, or is it possible to re-use them if they are not damaged?
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If you pull them off always replace them. ALWAYS!
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06-18-2020, 02:19 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by NJKris
Ok, so better than a long screwdriver. Do you always replace your seals, or is it possible to re-use them if they are not damaged?
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I always replace. Seal puller is a handy tool but going to destroy the seal any way you remove it.
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06-18-2020, 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Jfkmk
This is what I have, and it is definitely worth it.
To answer your question regarding replacing the seals...yes, replace them. It is sometimes difficult not to damage them when removing.
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Sinci i do my own work i bought a bearing/seal driver kit on Amazon
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0179G3SOC..._b276EbZFXXHM4
$26 and well worth it as it mskes the task of inserting races and seals super easy with little chance of damage.
I just recently purchased the "seal hook" tool but for decades i just used a long tapered punch to reach through front bearing and drive them out from behind. Same punch i use to remove races.
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06-18-2020, 02:26 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr ROK
I'm planning on repacking my 2011 Palomino Sabre 36RTE wheel bearings. How does one go about identifying what replacement grease seals I'll need? Thanks in advance for any advice!
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The # is on the seal. Go to any industrial bearing supply they will get you the same seal.
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06-18-2020, 02:34 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr ROK
I'm planning on repacking my 2011 Palomino Sabre 36RTE wheel bearings. How does one go about identifying what replacement grease seals I'll need? Thanks in advance for any advice!
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Someone at auto parts store told me that normally if it’s a 3500 lb axle you buy that size seal. If it’s 2000 lb or 1500 lb you buy that size. I took their advice and bought the 3500 lb seals and it was perfect match for my axle. Tag is normally on the axle.
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06-18-2020, 05:23 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by NJKris
Ok, so better than a long screwdriver. Do you always replace your seals, or is it possible to re-use them if they are not damaged?
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Axle seals are NEVER reused by any professional. The damage caused if they leak due to a nic you cannot see is not worth the small, VERY small expense of purchasing new seals!
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06-18-2020, 05:26 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TitanMike
Sinci i do my own work i bought a bearing/seal driver kit on Amazon
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0179G3SOC..._b276EbZFXXHM4
$26 and well worth it as it mskes the task of inserting races and seals super easy with little chance of damage.
I just recently purchased the "seal hook" tool but for decades i just used a long tapered punch to reach through front bearing and drive them out from behind. Same punch i use to remove races.
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Our fathers obviously taught us the same techniques *S* They still work!
I have learned to use a brake adjustment tool (remember those?) to pry the seals out from the back side.
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06-18-2020, 06:02 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DouglasReid
Our fathers obviously taught us the same techniques *S* They still work!
I have learned to use a brake adjustment tool (remember those?) to pry the seals out from the back side.
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The fact that these seals take a fair amount of effort to remove (they are driven into place with a hammer after all), makes me smile every time I hear people saying that using the EZ-Lube Xerks with a Hand Grease Gun causes the "Seals to pop out".
Now if someone installed the wrong seal and it was loose due to improper diameter, It was going to be a problem regardless.
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06-18-2020, 06:13 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TitanMike
The fact that these seals take a fair amount of effort to remove (they are driven into place with a hammer after all), makes me smile every time I hear people saying that using the EZ-Lube Xerks with a Hand Grease Gun causes the "Seals to pop out".
Now if someone installed the wrong seal and it was loose due to improper diameter, It was going to be a problem regardless.
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I have never heard that happening. The rubber seal itself is what leaks or blows out.
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