I’m confused !

[D W]

Originally Posted by Lins

It would be nice to know what your GVWR is. You uploaded low quality pictures. And how do you know it weighs 7k? I can't find a 2021 RK if I Google it, but I can find an RK-L which says the empty weight is 6156 lbs. Yes they can add weight before you get them. The GVWR of an RK-L is 7627. That gives you 1471 lbs of payload which is pretty standard for lightweight TT's. Am I missing something?

Our 2701SS has 3k axles and GVWR is 6660 if I remember correctly and when scaled fully loaded we're good to go.

Wildwood 27RKS:

[Lins]

Wow not much CCC on that one. So 7-800 lbs of CCC with fresh tanks full.

[Lins]

Originally Posted by D W

Wildwood 27RKS:

CCC on there says 2452 lbs, the CCC on his placard says 367kg with fresh tanks full I think? Almost seems like axles were switched on the assembly line.

[D W]

Originally Posted by Lins

CCC on there says 2452 lbs, the CCC on his placard says 367kg with fresh tanks full I think? Almost seems like axles were switched on the assembly line.

...or, they ran out of 5200's, and slapped 3500's on it!

[tbeefitz]

Dw ! I hope that’s not the case. I received a reply from Forest River.

Hi Tina, All 7,000 lbs. on the unit does not go on the axles. 10 to 15 % goes on the hitch weight. Regards, Joe

The dry weight is on the yellow sticker as
3101kg
Water cold 151kg
Hot 23kg
Cargo 307kg
Gvwr 3608 kg

It’s a 2021 wildwood 27rk ( no s )

[Lins]

Are you ok with having 307kg (677lbs) of cargo capacity on top of full fresh water tanks? Food, drinks, clothing (socks, underwear, shirts, pants, shorts, swimwear, jackets, various footwear), bedding, towels, pots, pans, cutlery, books, games, cubbies containing various trailer supplies will more than likely use more than that.

[phillyg]

Have to know the trailer's real weight to know for sure if the 3500lb axles are okay.

[dalford]

Originally Posted by tbeefitz

Dw ! I hope that’s not the case. I received a reply from Forest River.

Hi Tina, All 7,000 lbs. on the unit does not go on the axles. 10 to 15 % goes on the hitch weight. Regards, Joe

The dry weight is on the yellow sticker as
3101kg
Water cold 151kg
Hot 23kg
Cargo 307kg
Gvwr 3608 kg

It’s a 2021 wildwood 27rk ( no s )

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I’m still confused. The pic of the RV sticker is too low of resolution to clearly read but it does not appear to jive with what is stated above.

I went to Forest River page and looked up the RV... basically loaded to max it weights over 9500lbs. Just over 7000lbs empty. If this unit has 3500lb axles I would run away from it. Those axles are completely inadequate...5200lb axles would work

[D W]

Originally Posted by tbeefitz

It’s a 2021 wildwood 27rk ( no s )

My bad. I was unaware that FR had dropped the "S" & "SS" from it's model designations. It just meant "single slide". The 2021 Salem is identical to the Wildwood and is also now designated "27RK".

[tbeefitz]

Thank you for all your help! I have no idea why that picture is so crappy ! But o figure you guys get the drift. This forum has been great you are always there to help me out! I send an inquiry to FR and received a reply - the agent went a step further and sent it to the chief engineer - this is his response.

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The GVWR (Gross Vehicle Weight Rating) on this unit is the sum of the GAWR (Gross Axle weight Rating) times the number of axles and the hitch weight. The hitch weight I carried by the tow vehicle. So if the trailer is loaded not to exceed the GVWR, the axle rating will never be reached There is a yellow label on the roadside front that is the Cargo Carrying Capacity. This is the maximum weight of cargo that can be carried by this trailer. Including fresh water. Please review the label for the water weight and CCC. —

With all that being said - is it actually enough. After speaking to the dealer they feel the right thing to do is replace the axels and the tires of course- otherwise we would be limited to just about 1000lbs ( including water) I’m pleased with that response! And I’ve tried for the last time to post the pic at a different resolution- maybe it will be successful thank you again! Stay safe- camping may be all we can do in 2021 !

[Airdale]

Originally Posted by tbeefitz

Buying a new travel trailer wildwood 2021 27rk - I have a concern - the trailer almost weighs 7000Lbs however I was looking at the sticker along the side - and how does the axel weight make sense? 3500 per axel wouldn’t that be 7000- no water , no tanks , no cargo . Please clarify for me if you can RenderedImage.jpeg

To answer the certified axle question one must know that the axle manufactures maximum weight certification does not have to equal the vehicle manufacturer’s GAWR certification.

All brochure numbers sometimes just don’t match the vehicle labeling because of add-ons by a dealer.

Here are the specs I found;
Dry weight: 6798
Pay Load: 1107
Add the above =: 7905 GVWR
Published Tongue weight: 905

Subtract tongue weight from GVWR = 7000# divide by 2 = 3500# = certified GAWRs.

GAWRs for all trailer axles are determined that way. It’s by regulation direction (FMVSS 571.120 paragraph S10.2 On RV trailers, the sum of the GAWRs of all axles on the vehicle plus the vehicle manufacturer's recommended tongue weight must not be less than the GVWR. If tongue weight is specified as a range, the minimum value must be used).

[Airdale]

Originally Posted by tbeefitz

I apologize for the pic- hopefully this will be better. Attachment 243221

This is a good example of how the specifications can change from what was published in a brochure.

Certification labels MUST be correct at the time of first sale. Some time/somewhere there were options added after the dry weight was established. Or just maybe they forgot to add the propane weight to the vehicle GVW as built. Because that regulation has changed the manufacturer will sometimes forget to add it to the total vehicle weight (GVWR). They will then deduct from the cargo capacity to get the tongue weight to an established figure acceptable for certification. In this case 955#.

[Airdale]

Originally Posted by tbeefitz

Thank you for all your help! I have no idea why that picture is so crappy ! But o figure you guys get the drift. This forum has been great you are always there to help me out! I send an inquiry to FR and received a reply - the agent went a step further and sent it to the chief engineer - this is his response.

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The GVWR (Gross Vehicle Weight Rating) on this unit is the sum of the GAWR (Gross Axle weight Rating) times the number of axles and the hitch weight. The hitch weight I carried by the tow vehicle. So if the trailer is loaded not to exceed the GVWR, the axle rating will never be reached There is a yellow label on the roadside front that is the Cargo Carrying Capacity. This is the maximum weight of cargo that can be carried by this trailer. Including fresh water. Please review the label for the water weight and CCC. —

With all that being said - is it actually enough. After speaking to the dealer they feel the right thing to do is replace the axels and the tires of course- otherwise we would be limited to just about 1000lbs ( including water) I’m pleased with that response! And I’ve tried for the last time to post the pic at a different resolution- maybe it will be successful thank you again! Stay safe- camping may be all we can do in 2021 ! Attachment 243279

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Using higher load capacity axles does not effect the GVWR, it remains the same. Only the vehicle manufacturer or a certified modifier have the authority to change GVWR values once the vehicle has been sold to a consumer.

[updhaul]

If the axles are rated for 3500 front and 3500 rear then the trailer cargo will be limited. Subtracting the weight of the trailer empty from 7,000 and add the calculated tongue or hitch weight will give you the cargo capacity rating,,on sticker correctly.

If this capacity is smaller then you expected or you need, try to shop for another that has higher ccc. The axle has only one rating and will remain the same on all frames. You did a good job to recognize limits of placing 3500# axles on larger chassis.
If your tow vehicle can carry more, try moving some weight there, keep empty tanks on road

It has happened in past that "yellow" stickers do not reflect correct axles placed on frames. Such as 3500# axles were substituted for 5,000# axles
resulting in severely reduced cargo capacity unknown to customers unless reading stickers on axle

[Airdale]

Originally Posted by updhaul

If the axles are rated for 3500 front and 3500 rear then the trailer cargo will be limited. Subtracting the weight of the trailer empty from 7,000 and add the calculated tongue or hitch weight will give you the cargo capacity rating,,on sticker correctly.

If this capacity is smaller then you expected or you need, try to shop for another that has higher ccc. The axle has only one rating and will remain the same on all frames. You did a good job to recognize limits of placing 3500# axles on larger chassis.
If your tow vehicle can carry more, try moving some weight there, keep empty tanks on road

It has happened in past that "yellow" stickers do not reflect correct axles placed on frames. Such as 3500# axles were substituted for 5,000# axles
resulting in severely reduced cargo capacity unknown to customers unless reading stickers on axle

You need to read the numbers on labels the OP has provided. They are not in error.

To replace those 3500# axles with 5000# axles does not increase to listed cargo capacity. In fact, it would invite overloading the trailer's GVWR by 3000#.

First time buyers are often very angry with themselves when they find they didn't understand the numbers during PDI and ended up with much less cargo capacity then they had thought would be there. Water is usually the problem. It's cargo, always has been.

[updhaul]

Of course I would never suggest putting a larger capacity axle on a new travel trailer. The purchaser did a good job confirming that the ccc is less then purchaser expected and confirmed that the labeling was correct already.
Unfortunately labels and sellers have on occasion been wrong in past resulting in errors in expectations and occasional labeling.

If this was confusing I meant that if ccc was less then expected needs then shopping for a higher capacity trailer was best option, not axle.

[Dsbrew1]

I’d run! And fast. There are enough petty problems with these units right off the assembly line. Sounds and looks like, and it appears the majority of responses say, it’s got the wrong axles. It’s very easy to allow the dealer to swap them out but now what else is wrong with it if something as vital as axles are not correct. If it were me, my Spidey Senses would tell me to find another unit. Imagine your regret if you allow them to swap out axles and mor problems arise?

[Airdale]

According to the federal certification label on the trailer that the OP provided a picture of, the axles are the correct size and load capacity.

During the rules committee meeting in 2010, major changes in reporting cargo carrying capacities for RVs & RV trailers were implemented and finalized. They are reflected in FMVSS 571.110 for 10K and below and FMVSS 571.120 above 10K.

[MR.M]

It wouldn't just be an axle swap but also springs . now the argument that the excess weight is carried by the TW is great if your never hauling down the road . #3500 x 2 =7000. lets say added cargo with in specs put you at 7880 . carry the 880 on the TW still leaves the axle and springs maxed out and when heading down the road that TW will not be enough to offset the maxed out axle . no cushion at all no 20% safety margin . Not uncommon to find axles not large enough for the task at hand . cheap manufactures with poor math skills and no towing experience

[Airdale]

Originally Posted by dalford

I’m still confused. The pic of the RV sticker is too low of resolution to clearly read but it does not appear to jive with what is stated above.

I went to Forest River page and looked up the RV... basically loaded to max it weights over 9500lbs. Just over 7000lbs empty. If this unit has 3500lb axles I would run away from it. Those axles are completely inadequate...5200lb axles would work

Water is cargo and must be treated accordingly.