Sailun vs Endurance

[Paulie1138]

I am getting ready for new tires, long trip coming up in a month or so.

Sailun or Goodyear Endurance?

I have read reviews that both are great tires. Sailun almost 1/2 price. What say you?

[2Evil4U]

Are you looking for G rated tires? I don't think Sailun makes anything smaller than 235-80R16 G.

Personally I like the E rated endurance I'm running. Comparable to my Maxxis 8008's.

[Moochie6903]

I have a 2014 Sanibel around 11,000 lbs on two axles. Load range E was a little too close to max for me, so went with Sailun load range G which at 4,000 lbs a tire load rating, gives me plenty of reserve. So far, Sailuns are great. No more worries about overloading and run lot cooler.

[Paulie1138]

To add to the posting, I am aware of the Sailun being LR-G. My rig spec’d with LR-D and 15” tires. It came with the optional LR-E with 16’s. G will be considered, especially being 1/2 the price of endurance. I am at 10.8k fully loaded, (fridge, full black, both greys, main water tank, clothes, batteries, propane....) I never travel with the tanks full, and keep the water at about 1/2, unless boondocking for a week or more. I wanted to fully load just to know my max numbers. Typical towing has been CAT’d @ 10-10.4k. The loading sticker says I can go 12.9k, so I am well under weight with anything I can foresee.

About the only things I may add 2 more GC-6 batteries. (Guessing about 110 lbs?) Maybe 1-2 more solar panels? (70–80 lbs for two)

A question I have, will the Sailun sidewalls be too stiff for this setup if I use them? Everything I have read on the Sailun, say they are a fantastic tire, and at 1/2 the price of GY Endurance.........

[frank4711]

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[B and B]

Sailun best choice! Great tires not sold by ads on Blimps.

[CaptnJohn]

Originally Posted by B and B

Sailun best choice! Great tires not sold by ads on Blimps.

X2. 16" tires mean Sailun without question!

[emm-dee]

Poor comparison here. I’ve never seen a G rated Endurance...E is as high as they go. And, Sailun is nowhere close to half the price of the Endurance. The largest GY runs $150-$170. Sailun is advertised at $145-$165. There are price advantages for tires made in China, but not half price.

[B and B]

I am getting H Rated 17.5 inch on my new Heartland Landmark. The Riverstone's have the same tires available I believe.

[Paulie1138]

I will post my price quote sheets when I get the chance. It is not exactly half the price, but close enough to make the comment. I am still shopping and comparing. Thanks everyone for the input. Maybe there is a GY deal I have missed. GY Endurance is the top of the lot in E, and the Sailun seems to be top in the G series, maybe Hercules too?

I am wondering about the stiffness of the sidewalls on the Sailuns, tho. As my CAT weights indicate, I safely within E range. However, I have not weighed individual axles yet, but all 4 seem to wear about the same.

The tires are 4+ years old, Big-O house brand, so I never did have faith in them. Had to get what they had when I was on my first trip out of town with the rig. Have about 10k miles on them so far. Getting ready for a 7-10,000 mile trip soon and don’t want to have to “get what they got” again! I am shopping the larger chains so far in my area, but I know GY has shops everywhere.

[TitanMike]

Originally Posted by emm-dee

There are price advantages for tires made in China, but not half price.

The gap, whatever it might be, is closing fast with tariff's being added.

Cost of product goes up and you still have to transport your purchase across the ocean.

We might see a lot more items made in the USA if the tariff's remain in place.

Of course those who are looking for cheap goods will be disappointed.

[luker0]

Originally Posted by TitanMike

We might see a lot more items made in the USA if the tariff's remain in place.

That would involve having more items actually made in the USA to begin with.

[dalford]

One thing I have not seen posted in the comparison is tire pressure. Sailing is 110 psi and GYE is 80 psi. Make sure your wheels are rated for the 110 psi.

[Airdale]

Originally Posted by Paulie1138

To add to the posting, I am aware of the Sailun being LR-G. My rig spec’d with LR-D and 15” tires. It came with the optional LR-E with 16’s. G will be considered, especially being 1/2 the price of endurance. I am at 10.8k fully loaded, (fridge, full black, both greys, main water tank, clothes, batteries, propane....) I never travel with the tanks full, and keep the water at about 1/2, unless boondocking for a week or more. I wanted to fully load just to know my max numbers. Typical towing has been CAT’d @ 10-10.4k. The loading sticker says I can go 12.9k, so I am well under weight with anything I can foresee.

About the only things I may add 2 more GC-6 batteries. (Guessing about 110 lbs?) Maybe 1-2 more solar panels? (70–80 lbs for two)

A question I have, will the Sailun sidewalls be too stiff for this setup if I use them? Everything I have read on the Sailun, say they are a fantastic tire, and at 1/2 the price of GY Endurance.........

Two important questions need to be answered. What tire size does the vehicle certification label have on it? What are the designated size of the OE tires?


Reasoning; The designated tire size on the certification label MUST match the size of the tires on the vehicle at the time of first sale. Replacement tires MUST have a load capacity equal to the load capacity of the tires shown on the vehicle certification label.

[Paulie1138]

Cert label on the rig is for the factory installed upgraded 16’s at 80lb. When ordering, this unit in the base form was on 15’s LR-D, and had a lower cargo capacity. The one I have, has the optional heavier axles, 16” wheels and tires LR-E, and a higher cargo rating. Wheels are rated for 110lbs or above, do not know the exact rating, but saw they will handle the heavier tire pressure.

The included Towmax tires, unfortunately....could not tow max.......had to replace them the first trip with whatever off-brand the shop had on hand. Forward 4 years, its tire time, hence this thread. I hope to get something I do not have to worry about.

[Airdale]

Originally Posted by Paulie1138

Cert label in the rig is for the factory installed upgraded 16’s at 80lb. When ordering, this unit in the base form was on 15’s, and had a lower cargo capacity. The one I have, has the optional heavier axles, 16’ wheels and tires, and a higher cargo rating. The Towmax tires, unfortunately....could not....LOL! Forward 4 years, its tire time, hence this thread.

The trailer's cargo capacity cannot be increased for adjusted axle & tire capacities alone. The GVWR on the vehicle certification label would have to also be increased along with the GAWRs. The trailer manufacturer has the authority to do that with a new trailer, no one else. How did they justify it. I'm sure others with that model would like to know about such GVWR & GAWR manipulations.


Paragraph #10 in FMVSS 571.120 has the legal explanations about cargo.

On edit: I've done a little more researching on your trailer and I've come to the conclusion that it has 6000# axles derated by it's manufacturer to 5200# and that 5200# is probably going to be found on the vehicle certification label. The optional 16" wheel/tire assemblies are just that, options for increased tire load capacity reserves. IMO anything above any of the ST235/80R16 LRE tires is WAY overkill, they would be providing nearly 45% in excess load capacity.

http://library.rvusa.com/brochure/CrusaderBrochure.pdf

[Paulie1138]

I read the brochure when I bought the trailer, and it shows 8200 and 1800 cargo. The Loading Sticker on my unit says dry wt=8475. Cargo should not exceed 2982 lbs. (note the higher cargo rating) Wt. not to exceed 11,463. My loading is typically close to 10k per CAT scales. I am under the ratings. They did offer a heavier duty suspension, which mine has. It was found on the “touring editions” that have similiar ratings as mine. The brochure you listed does not show the touring editions that were available. My unit is not a touring edition, but has the touring suspension and ratings.

I am not trying to change the weight or load ratings of my trailer. Nowhere have I said that. I am after a tire I can count on. I know the G rating is way high, load wise, but I like what I have seen and read about the quality and long life of the Sailuns. Furthermore, according to the loading charts from Sailun, I can run lower pressure 80 to 110 lbs, (with a lower load rating) and be fine. However, I will keep an eye on the temps via my TPMS. Insufficient long term data for me to toss money out on the Goodyears that are higher priced. Even tho, the GY’s may be a better fitment.

[Airdale]

Originally Posted by Paulie1138

I read the brochure when I bought the trailer, and it shows 8200 and 1800 cargo. The Loading Sticker on my unit says dry wt=8475. Cargo should not exceed 2982 lbs. (note the higher cargo rating) Wt. not to exceed 11,463. My loading is typically close to 10k per CAT scales. I am under the ratings. They did offer a heavier duty suspension, which mine has. It was found on the “touring editions” that have similiar ratings as mine. The brochure you listed does not show the touring editions that were available. My unit is not a touring edition, but has the touring suspension and ratings.

I am not trying to change the weight or load ratings of my trailer. Nowhere have I said that. I am after a tire I can count on. I know the G rating is way high, load wise, but I like what I have seen and read about the quality and long life of the Sailuns. Furthermore, according to the loading charts from Sailun, I can run lower pressure 80 to 110 lbs, (with a lower load rating) and be fine. However, I will keep an eye on the temps via my TPMS. Insufficient long term data for me to toss money out on the Goodyears that are higher priced. Even tho, the GY’s may be a better fitment.

Let me shorten this up for you.

The only official capacities for your trailer came with the trailer in the form of placards and labels. The only label the dealer can change is the weight (CCC) label and then only to deduct from it. The trailer's GVWR and GAWRs can only be changed by the vehicle manufacturer.

[Paulie1138]

Shorter version yet. Dealer did not do anything. Came from the factory like this with factory certification labels showing the higher ratings as posted.

I am not going to argue the merits of labels or loading. I am within the baseline of the lower ratings with no plans to exceed even those. Per CAT scales. Unless, the 3 different ones I have been to while in travel mode are wrong. The only 2 times I was above the lower rated minimum (within higher sticker) was when I took a load of stuff up to my daughter in Portland. 10.3k. Also, when I overloaded with all tanks full with a ton of extra stuff when I first got the rig to see how heavy I could possibly get was 10.8k. (9 mile trip to CAT) Typical travel weights have all been 9.8 to 10.2k.

End of label babble.

Now, back to my original post. I am looking for tires I can rely on.