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Old 10-30-2018, 01:38 PM   #1
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Strange Tread Wear

2 year old tires with less than 5k miles

I first thought balance, and then alignment and then defective tire and ....


I am thinking that the large rivet and small nail that punctured the tire caused this weird wear ....your thoughts??
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trouble uploading pic

this is the pic or not

uploading from my computer ...at 45% full size 456KB??

any ideas how to upload pic?
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this is the pic or not

uploading from my computer ...at 45% full size 456KB??

any ideas how to upload pic?
On a computer, scroll down below the green line that says 'Additional Options'...to the second box 'Attach Files', then click on the 'Manage Attachments' box..

Then, click on the top 'Choose File' box on the left, then make that box full screen, then choose the photo(s) from your computer, then when done, click the 'Upload' button on the upper right side of the screen, then when is is done uploading (you'll see the word 'Uploading Files' go away), then click on 'Close this window'....then submit the reply.
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Old 10-30-2018, 03:56 PM   #5
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the pic

thanks John

notice the difference in wear within the two ovals....and you can see the brown
head of the rivet just above the bottom oval

the bottom pic is the inside of the tire with the rivet and nail protruding inward.

that is the only place on the tire with any wear marks the bottow oval is "normal" and the top oval is the really weird wear....as a kid I work in a filling station fixing flats....I have seen all sorts of wear , but nothing like this???
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Looks like tread separation...
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Old 10-30-2018, 04:10 PM   #7
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DANGER DANGER DANGER


Replace tire(s)
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Old 10-30-2018, 04:28 PM   #8
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That's almost surely tread separation.

Good Catch.

The only remedy is to replace the tire.
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Old 10-30-2018, 04:58 PM   #9
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Tread separation is usually from the heat generated by running underinflated. Perhaps due to that nail or rivet. Or just plain running less than max sidewall pressure.

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Replaced

Thanks guys,

So if I am picking up what you all are laying down....

Tread separates "bows" outward and wears, retreats to the pic condition at rest..

And could the cause be the 5/16 dia rivet that punctured two rows inboard...or is that just coincidental ??

BTW, I purchased Goodyear Marathon "C"....(it was an ignorante purchase...and I am hoping for an alright to good purchase---(I know it cant be a great tire at $97)

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Thanks guys,

So if I am picking up what you all are laying down....

Tread separates "bows" outward and wears, retreats to the pic condition at rest..

And could the cause be the 5/16 dia rivet that punctured two rows inboard...or is that just coincidental ??

BTW, I purchased Goodyear Marathon "C"....(it was an ignorante purchase...and I am hoping for an alright to good purchase---(I know it cant be a great tire at $97)

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Return those Marathon's if you can...known for tread separation!

And at $97 each...that is a ripoff!

They have been discontinued for over two years now and replaced with the new Goodyear Endurance tire...which have been getting raving reviews!

If it is too late for returning the Marathon's...just keep a close eye on them.
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Replacement should what was on from the factory.

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Replacement should what was on from the factory.

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Not really...

The factory is known for putting 'just enough' tire on the RV's to get them to the dealership...not to mention cheapie tires!

It is often beneficial to go up one grade tire...from 'C' to 'D' range just to get a more sturdy tire.

However, before you can do that it is a good idea to check the wheels to see if they can handle the upgrade as going from a 'D' tire to an 'E' range tire will mean the tire will have a higher PSI (air pressure) rating.

From 'C' to 'D' shouldn't change that.
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The factory is known for putting 'just enough' tire on the RV's to get them to the dealership...not to mention cheapie tires!
"Just enough tire" meets all specifications of the trailer. Excess capacity is not required, bigger tires won't change your GVWR. Same with "just enough" axle, they meet specs as well. If one is changing tire size the best practice is to change them all, not just one.

The entire trailer is built to a price. Everything is cheap. But, linking better quality with price is how Curtis Mathes (sic?) sold overpriced television sets a generation ago. The advertised as the most expensive TV on the market and were fairly successful marketing it this way. For a while. They later became the house brand for KMart.

And, no, Chinese made tires are not bombs waiting to go off.

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"Just enough tire" meets all specifications of the trailer. Excess capacity is not required, bigger tires won't change your GVWR. Same with "just enough" axle, they meet specs as well. If one is changing tire size the best practice is to change them all, not just one.

The entire trailer is built to a price. Everything is cheap. But, linking better quality with price is how Curtis Mathes (sic?) sold overpriced television sets a generation ago. The advertised as the most expensive TV on the market and were fairly successful marketing it this way. For a while. They later became the house brand for KMart.

And, no, Chinese made tires are not bombs waiting to go off.

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I also find it interesting the number of people who have nothing good to say about Forest River products yet admit to owning several of their RV's. Ditto for Lippert.

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Thanks to all

Being an ignorant purchaser is never a good thing , unless you have the luck of the Irish . My ignorant purchase of the Marathon C is the perfect example.

again thanks to all for insightful info.

Travel on!!
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"Just enough tire" meets all specifications of the trailer.

Excess capacity is not required, bigger tires won't change your GVWR. Same with "just enough" axle, they meet specs as well. If one is changing tire size the best practice is to change them all, not just one.


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Being an ignorant purchaser is never a good thing , unless you have the luck of the Irish . My ignorant purchase of the Marathon C is the perfect example.

again thanks to all for insightful info.

Travel on!!
I didn't mean to scare you...just wanted to let you know to keep an eye on them while you have them.
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The intrusions sure didn’t help any, I’m sure��. It’ll be interesting for you to look inside of the tire closely for the separation. I had marathons on my heavy 30’ fifth wheel for around 12,000 miles and replaced them when the wear became obvious and never had a problem. Broad generalizations about any product are opinions in my opinion. I’m a fanatic about checking air pressure, balance, and alignment so I usually do fairly well-nails and screws aside. That separation looks like a pretty big coincidence with the punctures it seems, I can see why you’re curious.
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I had marathons on my heavy 30’ fifth wheel for around 12,000 miles and replaced them when the wear became obvious and never had a problem. Broad generalizations about any product are opinions in my opinion. I’m a fanatic about checking air pressure, balance, and alignment so I usually do fairly well-nails and screws aside. That separation looks like a pretty big coincidence with the punctures it seems, I can see why you’re curious.
While I've never had Marathon tires, I have many friends that did.

And every one of them had problems after a year or so on the road with them.

And not all were 5'vers...some smaller TT's...

Most of them are more anal than I am about checking air pressure and stuff like that.
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