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06-22-2020, 10:30 AM
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Junior Member
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Tire Question- truck tires or ST
So last wednesday pulling my trailer, on one of my tires the tread completley came off the tire almost like it was a retread but they were carlyle tires from the factory, probably less that 5000 miles on them. Took off the plastic fender over the tires and messed up a chunk of metal on my slide. Im going to get 4 new tires, can i just put a truck tire on my trailer with load range E or do I need to stick with a trailer tire? Im not a big fan of ST trailer tires. Thanks for your input. Seems like carlyle would be liable to me.
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06-22-2020, 10:33 AM
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Ohh goodness. This is a much discussed subject. You can search here or read what this expert says.
One thing I discovered with the 15" tires is that "nobody" makes an LT tire with enough weight capacity... 16" is another story.
https://www.rvtiresafety.net/
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06-22-2020, 11:26 AM
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Take it for what it's worth, but, my feeling is ST tires come from manufacturer and are made for a reason. I would replace mine with ST tires.
Good luck whichever you choose.
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06-22-2020, 11:31 AM
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Senior Member
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I agree LT tires are not designed for Trailers.
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06-22-2020, 12:31 PM
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Stick with the ST tired and go up one rating, D to E maybe.
Your tires were likely barely adequate from the factory. Did you always keep the at proper pressure? Did you run them within their speed rating?
I have a bit over 10,000 miles on my Carlisle Trail HD tires and I'm very happy with them. Went up one load rating size so now they match our actual weight.
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06-22-2020, 12:33 PM
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Tamarack Travels
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: AZ
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From the beginning I have been told to stick with trailer tires. Remember they have speed limits, though. If your tire is rated for 65mph don't go 70+.
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06-22-2020, 12:41 PM
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ARLO
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: N Chili, NY
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ST tires are designed with a more flexible sidewall to handle the stress of turning. We have had good luck with Goodyear Endurance tires. I did upgrade to load range E.,
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06-22-2020, 12:48 PM
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Junior Member
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So I take it back on name of tires. they are castle rock ST and size 225/75/15 Load range E.
I was within the speed range and always make sure my tires are aired up. Ill stop at les schwabs and see what they have that is alot better tire.
I have a wildcat maxx 28rkx and dry is 7800 to im probably around 9500 loaded.
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06-22-2020, 01:03 PM
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Location: Eastern NC
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Castle Rock have a lot of complaints like yours. With TTs and 1 small 5er I always ran Carlisle and never a problem. I usually ran LR F at 90 - 95 PSI. With the last 3 heavier 5er I always ran the best ST tire made, Sailun. Never a problem. My 2019 Montana arrived with them from the factory.
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06-22-2020, 01:17 PM
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Senior Member
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Location: South Carolina
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkl
So I take it back on name of tires. they are castle rock ST and size 225/75/15 Load range E.
I was within the speed range and always make sure my tires are aired up. Ill stop at les schwabs and see what they have that is alot better tire.
I have a wildcat maxx 28rkx and dry is 7800 to im probably around 9500 loaded.
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Ughh. We have the same tires on our new Surveyor. Well, I guess you just convinced me to upgrade sooner not later.
On our last trailer i upgraded to GoodYear Endurance. No issues.
Recommendation. Get a TIRE PRESSURE MONITOR. Even Good Years can get a nail in them. And a infrared thermometer to test temperature of wheels, tires, bearings and brakes during rest stops.
The actual issue is not so much the tires. But towing a trailer you don't know it is going flat! Until someone comes by you blowing the horn and frantically pointing to the back of your rig. Or it is too late and the tire tears it self apart along with your trailer.
I have also researched tire ratings. If the tire is rated at 70 MPH. It is not tested at 70 MPH for an extended period of time. Sometimes as low as 30 mins. So, no guarantees at 70 in 95 degree heat.
Good Luck.
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06-22-2020, 01:24 PM
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Junior Member
Join Date: Nov 2014
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heres the tire
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06-22-2020, 01:26 PM
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Junior Member
Join Date: Oct 2019
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkl
So last wednesday pulling my trailer, on one of my tires the tread completley came off the tire almost like it was a retread but they were carlyle tires from the factory, probably less that 5000 miles on them. Took off the plastic fender over the tires and messed up a chunk of metal on my slide. Im going to get 4 new tires, can i just put a truck tire on my trailer with load range E or do I need to stick with a trailer tire? Im not a big fan of ST trailer tires. Thanks for your input. Seems like carlyle would be liable to me.
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My last set of Carlisle tires lasted me 11 years and 50,000 miles I was very happy with them and put Carlisle back on it and I’m still very happy with them
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06-22-2020, 02:34 PM
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Senior Member
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Location: Northern Nevada
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I've had good luck with Nokia 15" LRE tires on my 10,000 5 Wheel trailer..After to many ST china bomb blow outs....I went with a LT LRE tire....so far so good.
https://www.discounttire.com/buy-tir...e-rotiiva-at:D
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06-22-2020, 02:36 PM
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Just A Member
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Belton, TX 76513
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Get you a set of Goodyear Endurance or Maxxis 8008's load range E. Air them up to 80 PSI and forget about tires and blowouts. I have a trailer about the same size as yours and about the same weight. I had Castle Rocks and one went boom very early in life and wiped out the side and fender. Either tire is speed rated at 87 MPH. You are not going to be towing at that speed. You will be very pleased with your purchase and be a happy camper, tire wise, for several years. Good luck!
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06-22-2020, 02:41 PM
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Cedar Creek Fifth Wheel
Join Date: Dec 2018
Location: Ocala, Florida
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Tires on Trailers
I have been using “LT” type tires for 10 years with never a problem. Always running long distances at full highway speed in hot weather. Never would use ST type tires.
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06-22-2020, 02:45 PM
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Senior Member
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Most common cause for blowouts is under inflation or overload. Miles on a ST tire really don't count. Age, on the other hand is critical as these just decay sitting there. Tread can be perfect. 6 years after the manufactured date is a common recommendation from the tire makers (and it's not just to sell more tires).
I've had one (1) blowout on my camper. Thought I'd been struck from the rear. Got on the shoulder less than 100 yards past an exit on the Ohio Turnpike. Tire and trailer damage as you describe. Perfect tire pressure 30 minutes prior just before I got on the road. There's probably a post here from a couple of years with more accurate dates but I'll bet the tires were 8 or 10 years old (trailer was 12 at the time). Spare was older. Aborted the trip and ordered new tires mounted on weeks send to my house. Learned my lesson.
And, yes, LT tires are suitable for the trailer assuming you get enough load capacity. Not v.v. though.
-- Chuck
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06-22-2020, 02:47 PM
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Pickin', Campin', Mason
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There have been a few reports here of folks switching to LT tires on 16" wheels but few if any for 15" wheels or smaller. I'd say those that switched were in the minority.
LOTS and LOTS of threads on Castle Rock failures over the course of the last 4-5 years.
The three most mentioned ST tire replacements are Goodyear Endurance, (NOT Marathon!) Maxxis 8008 and Carlisle HD. (be sure they are HD)
For 16" Sailun is a most often mentioned replacement also.
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06-22-2020, 03:19 PM
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Junior Member
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Location: Austin
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LT Tires
My SOB 5th wheel came with Goodyear LT tires standard, and the camper GVW is over 17000 lbs. The tires ride well, and carry the weight with no problem.
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06-22-2020, 05:32 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Northern CA
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Trailer vs Truck Tires
I am convinced after 4 blowouts in 6 years, that the best tire is a Goodyear Endurance. However LT's work too.
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06-22-2020, 06:25 PM
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Senior Member
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IMO the OPs first responsibility is; to find the cause of the failure. A very high percentage of tread separation failures are caused by tire misuse; such as overloading, under inflation, excessive speed and undetected leaking by the wheel or tire.
Because there is soo much of his tire remaining, any experienced, well trained tire mechanic will be able to determine what caused the failure.
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