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Old 09-17-2012, 05:28 PM   #61
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I asked Gary and he said it's probably not a problem. He thinks that the furnace has to have propane to it (pressure from the gas) for the electronic igniter to light for heat, which would drain the battery...

He thinks it will be OK
, but no guarantees because we don't know for sure.
This is all quite a learning experience, isn't it?

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Old 09-17-2012, 05:35 PM   #62
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I asked Gary and he said it's probably not a problem. He thinks that the furnace has to have propane to it (pressure from the gas) for the electronic igniter to light for heat, which would drain the battery...

He thinks it will be OK, but no guarantees because we don't know for sure.
This is all quite a learning experience, isn't it?

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This is true, I will post the results when I go back this Friday. Does anybody know if your battery goes low during the night(no electric hookup) will the propane heater shutdown? I guess it requires battery power for the fan.
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Yes, no battery power and no AC power = no heat. Gotta have power to run the gas solenoid, fan and ignitor on the furnace.

Your question was on the water heater. I think that may also drain your battery while in storage. I believe the aframes Hester tries to ignite, and If no gas will light the indicator light. Not sure if it will retry or not.

The furnace however, will continue to retry periodically to relight in the absence of gas.

I don't think either has a pressure switch. I'll look at the manual here in a bit.
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Old 09-17-2012, 06:25 PM   #64
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Your question was on the water heater. I think that may also drain your battery while in storage. I believe the aframes Hester tries to ignite, and If no gas will light the indicator light. Not sure if it will retry or not.

The furnace however, will continue to retry periodically to relight in the absence of gas.

I don't think either has a pressure switch. I'll look at the manual here in a bit.
Ah sorry, didn't read closely enough. I missed it that ko777 was talking about the water heater and not the furnace.
Yes, please let us know what you find out. It would be good to know in either case.

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Ok, the furnace manual doesn't really clearly say.

The hit water heater however will 'lock out' after three tries. You have to power off the water heater to reset the lock out.

I would assume (ASSUME) that the furnace is similar or the same. I'd only know for sure by trying it out with no gas to see when lock out occurs. The furnace manual mentions lock out but not how many ignition tries constitutes a lock out condition. Resetting lock out on the furnace requires setting the thermostat below room temp or switching it off in the thermostat and back on.

Either way, I think since the appliance is energized, whether in lock out or not, that a week will probably drain the camper battery. U could be wrong. I guess the OP will find out on Friday.

Now I'm curious what constitutes a lock out condition (how many failed ignition attempts) for the furnace.
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Old 09-17-2012, 09:19 PM   #66
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Ah sorry, didn't read closely enough. I missed it that ko777 was talking about the water heater and not the furnace.
Yes, please let us know what you find out. It would be good to know in either case.

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The propane heating is a new question, when I go back to my trailer this Friday I hope the trailer's battery will have enough juice to keep me warm till Sat morning. I hope leaving the water heater left on without propane did not drain my battery.

Here is another question, the light below the microwave oven, is that 100% battery?
If it is connected to the battery directly, can I use a volt meter to measure the strength of the battery from the light's connection? This will save me from opening the battery case.

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Does anybody know how long it takes to recharge the trailer's battery using a gas generator? With everything turned off in the trailer and plugged in to the generator, the watt meter was reading 80 watts, I could assume that is for recharging the battery.

What should the volt meter reading to indicate the battery has a good charge and requires charging??

Wow I have a lots of questions, thanks advance for any information I get from here.
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The light below the microwave is hooked to the battery. I was in that wiring last week and traced it out when I installed a couple 12v outlets in that cabinet.
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KO777 - when I want to take a voltage reading I attached one lead of my voltmeter to one of the bolt ends that holds the tongue jack and the other I touch to the top edge of the blade fuse that is just outside the battery box (in the red wire - covered by a small black rubber cap). Using this method I can check my battery voltage very quickly without having to remove the battery cover which is a real pain. I intend to mount a permanent volt meter inside the trailer this spring. I found a guide from a link in this forum that gives voltage vs % depletion and it is a good guide. I will try to paste it

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KO777 - when I want to take a voltage reading I attached one lead of my voltmeter to one of the bolt ends that holds the tongue jack and the other I touch to the top edge of the blade fuse that is just outside the battery box (in the red wire - covered by a small black rubber cap). Using this method I can check my battery voltage very quickly without having to remove the battery cover which is a real pain. I intend to mount a permanent volt meter inside the trailer this spring. I found a guide from a link in this forum that gives voltage vs % depletion and it is a good guide. I will try to paste it

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Yes that method would sufice for a quick check .

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Would this be something interesting to install?

Battery Indicator - Solar Panel or Golf Cart 12/24 volt: Amazon.com: Industrial & Scientific

Thought it might be a helpful gauge.
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Would this be something interesting to install?

Battery Indicator - Solar Panel or Golf Cart 12/24 volt: Amazon.com: Industrial & Scientific

Thought it might be a helpful gauge.
To bad it didn't have an actual read out.
Most campers have that "similar" style already.
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I've seen dozens that show digital numbers. Just this one interested me because it has a empty-full gauge so you don't have to cross-reference.
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I've seen dozens that show digital numbers. Just this one interested me because it has a empty-full gauge so you don't have to cross-reference.
Can you try doing a reading via the lights under the microwave oven and see if it is the same as to the battery connection directly with your meter?
I'll attempt that when I get to my trailer this Friday, to check how much juice is left on my battery.
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Old 09-22-2012, 11:29 AM   #74
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Camping Trip #4 continue. I got here last night and the trailer looked fine. After 6 days parked in this lot and I left the water heater on without propane, the battery did not drained. The water heater light near its switch was red. Just turn it off and on to restart the water heater, the red light goes off indicating it is on again.

I run out of gas in my generator, it run for 5 hours and I hope that is enough to fully charge my battery. The watt meter was reading close to 400 watt, I had the furnace on because of the gen electric the vent of the A/C turns on. If I could turn off to save gas. When the gen is off the vent is off too.

The fridge good with propane, it got colder than 32F. I now use this to keep my meat frozen. I bring a large cooler for drinks and stuff.

It rain hard all night, this the first time I camp in this condition. This morning the trailer was dry inside and some drips all over the screen room. My trailer has passed all the test it was given, I'm one happy camper w/A128S.

It is blah right now, dark clouds w/shower so I blog this using my 3G hotspot good for 100MB. I'll post more with pic when I get home Monday.

Official end of summer, Fall camping here and enjoying the cold nights in my trailer.

Later...
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Glad the camper wasn't dead. Sounds like a nice trip so far, despite the rain.
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Old 09-22-2012, 05:20 PM   #76
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Do you know if my battery will drain because I left the hot water switch on without propane hookup?
If you don't have a battery disconnect or keep the power on your camper, the battery will be dead in a week anyway due to other parasite loads (like the propane detector and radio that are hard wired to the battery.

As to your hitch issue.

If you actually checked that the keeper was actually down and engaged and the coupler "hopped" off the ball. Your dufus dealer put the wrong size ball on the hitch.

Having said that, to prevent you from forgetting to actually "set" the ball keeper, I use a pin that goes through the locking hole in the coupler to make sure it is actually down and engaged. Having to put that pin in will make you check to make sure it is down.


A non-locking one looks like: Coupler Snapper Pin - 1/4" X 2" | 66050 | Trailer Parts On-line | NuEraTrailerParts.com

A locking one looks like: Master Lock Hitch Receiver and Coupler Latch Lock Set - Swivel Design - 2" Hitches Master Lock Locks,Hitch Accessories 1481DAT which is a set for locking the hitch to the truck and the keeper closed.
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As to your hitch issue.

If you actually checked that the keeper was actually down and engaged and the coupler "hopped" off the ball. Your dufus dealer put the wrong size ball on the hitch.

Having said that, to prevent you from forgetting to actually "set" the ball keeper, I use a pin that goes through the locking hole in the coupler to make sure it is actually down and engaged. Having to put that pin in will make you check to make sure it is down.
That is what I did from day one I got my trailer. I thought that if it could lock the pin, it is secured but that day I had the problem, most likely it was on the top middle of the ball, so locking was possible. To be sure from now on, I do this step and check by looking under or feeling the hitch is below the mid point of the ball. Double checking is the key and I've learned my lesson with minimum damage.
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Camping Trip #4 continue. I got here last night and the trailer looked fine. After 6 days parked in this lot and I left the water heater on without propane, the battery did not drained. The water heater light near its switch was red. Just turn it off and on to restart the water heater, the red light goes off indicating it is on again.

I run out of gas in my generator, it run for 5 hours and I hope that is enough to fully charge my battery. The watt meter was reading close to 400 watt, I had the furnace on because of the gen electric the vent of the A/C turns on. If I could turn off to save gas. When the gen is off the vent is off too.

The fridge good with propane, it got colder than 32F. I now use this to keep my meat frozen. I bring a large cooler for drinks and stuff.

It rain hard all night, this the first time I camp in this condition. This morning the trailer was dry inside and some drips all over the screen room. My trailer has passed all the test it was given, I'm one happy camper w/A128S.

It is blah right now, dark clouds w/shower so I blog this using my 3G hotspot good for 100MB. I'll post more with pic when I get home Monday.

Official end of summer, Fall camping here and enjoying the cold nights in my trailer.

Later...
Conclusion Sunday: No gas left for the generator, drained my power pack watching 6 hours of movies, and the trailer battery has less than 11 volts left; there is a frost warning tonight so I've decided to go home Sunday instead of Monday. This camping trip had everything, heavy rain, strong wind, cold nights and sunny breaks for bike ridding. I had enough sun today to pack up dry. The following pics are from this trip.

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The tarp helped a lot, kept my bike and generator dry, checkout the wind trying to blow off the tarp

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My power pack, I drained it, now I know its capacity. This is my all purpose tool, it has a booster, air compressor, USB power, 400 watt inverter, battery input, and light. Perfect companion for the trailer. For emergency I could use this to backup the trailer's battery via the boost cable.

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Easy way to check the battery level, less than 10 volt means battery is drained

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Where is everybody? Biked to the CG, it is open for the next 2 weekends but the store is close

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Biked to the rail trail for a couple of hours, there are hundreds of miles of this trail, my pedal assist bike could go over 60 miles at a average speed of 20 km/hr(12.5 mph)

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Perfect solution for the screen room when pegging is a problem, front and back beside the stabilizer

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All packed and ready to go home

For Next weekend I've booked a CG with electric, this will be much easier then this trip.

Happy fall camping!
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That is what I did from day one I got my trailer. I thought that if it could lock the pin, it is secured but that day I had the problem, most likely it was on the top middle of the ball, so locking was possible. To be sure from now on, I do this step and check by looking under or feeling the hitch is below the mid point of the ball. Double checking is the key and I've learned my lesson with minimum damage.
What ever works for you is great. I still like the extra security of lifting the bumper with the tongue jack AFTER I hook up, to put the WD bars on easily; then lower it and store the jack handle.

If the trailer tongue can lift the truck; that connection is going no where.
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If the trailer tongue can lift the truck; that connection is going no where.
This is a good check, I'll add this to my list:
- visual check/feel the position of hitch inside the socket
- lock the tongue pin
- lift the bumper a couple of inches with tongue's jack

Excellent I should feel safe and secure on my next camping trip. No more hopping trailer.

Thanks for the tip!
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