RV News RVBusiness 2021 Top 10 RVs of the Year, plus 56 additional debuts and must-see units → ×


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 07-08-2017, 01:38 PM   #1
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 122
Surge Protection - Are They Needed

Hello,
I am wanting some input into how important a Surge Protection plug has been for folks.
Are these needed because you are loading in heavy power needed items like a TVs or several computers at the same time?
I wondered if any one has had an electrical power surge that might have been prevented because of the Surge Protector?
If I needed one of these....I have a 102A Rockwood would I need more than the 30amps? What is the "enhanced diagnostics" Surge Protection? Is it needed?
What brand/ mark would folks recommend purchasing?
Does Rockwood already have a Surge Protection device already in the trailer?

Thanks in advance I know I have a lot of questions.
JoArt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2017, 01:46 PM   #2
Senior Member
 
crunchman12001's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Chagrin Falls, Ohio
Posts: 3,225
Quote:
Originally Posted by JoArt View Post
Hello,
I am wanting some input into how important a Surge Protection plug has been for folks.
Are these needed because you are loading in heavy power needed items like a TVs or several computers at the same time?
I wondered if any one has had an electrical power surge that might have been prevented because of the Surge Protector?
If I needed one of these....I have a 102A Rockwood would I need more than the 30amps? What is the "enhanced diagnostics" Surge Protection? Is it needed?
What brand/ mark would folks recommend purchasing?
Does Rockwood already have a Surge Protection device already in the trailer?

Thanks in advance I know I have a lot of questions.
YES, a Progressive Industries EMS is one of the most important things you can buy. The most common electrical issues are low / voltage that will fry your electronics.
You can buy one here.

Progressive Industries EMS-PT30X Portable 30AMP Electrical Management System
__________________
2017 Salem Villa Estate 395RET-
2011 Coachmen Freedom Express 295RLDS- Sold
2015 F-250 FX4
crunchman12001 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2017, 02:13 PM   #3
Senior Member
 
Gumpster808's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 980
X2 on the P30x if you have 30 amp hookup from your rig. Keeps from frying things on under voltage as stated above.

Look at it as an insurance policy. Seem like a waste of money until you need it.
__________________
Lynn & Dennis
Nights Camped 2017 - 35 / 2018 - 15
2014 3051S - First RV for us
2018 Hyundai Elantra Sport Toad
2015 Harley CVO (retirement bike )
2015 Challenger ( Wife's Toy)
Gumpster808 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2017, 02:13 PM   #4
Phat Phrog Stunt Crew
 
elind's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Upper Penisula Michigan / Arizona
Posts: 2,723
I've had low voltage due to poor connections twice that kick out my fridge. I needed to go in and do a manual reset on it. After I installed a EMS system the problems ended. It could of been worse.
__________________
Ed & Ruthann / Toby and Tucker
2014 GMC Sierra Crewcab 2500 Duramax
2014 Wildcat 327ck
elind is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2017, 02:17 PM   #5
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 11,734
X2 on Progressive Industries. An EMS unit offers more than just surge protection.
Think of it as cheap insurance considering what it would cost to repair/replace all your onboard electronics. Link: Progressive Industries RV Surge and Electrical Protection industry lea
__________________
2020 Flagstaff Micro Lite 22FBS
Wiscampsin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2017, 02:20 PM   #6
Member
 
SC 2017's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Western NY
Posts: 47
Protection

Just last weekend my surge protector did its job and protected my investment when I plugged in to a pedestal that had Reverse Polarity. The list of problems that this condition could have caused ranges from appliance damage to electric shock. Not something I want to chance. Our site was the only site nearby that had this problem. Had we plugged in directly we would have never known the wires were backwards. Yes Maybe we would have been lucky but maybe not. I vote Yes. Buy it. Hope this helps.
SC 2017 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2017, 02:39 PM   #7
Senior Member
 
NMWildcat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Southern NM
Posts: 6,410
JoArt, I'm in the same boat as you. I know buying one of these expensive gizmos is not a bad idea and another layer of protection, but are they really as necessary as folks who have them say they are?

We have travelled all over the states and stayed in lots of RV parks for 30+ years and never had an electrical problem.

So do your homework and weigh the pros and cons of investing in one.

I think I'll take another couple of years to think about it
__________________
Scott and Liz - Southern NM
2012 Wildcat Sterling 32RL - w/level up (best option ever)
2007 Chevy 2500HD 4dr short bed Duramax w/allison
Reese Fifth Airborne air ride king pin coupler with Sidewinder
NMWildcat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2017, 02:42 PM   #8
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: payson, az
Posts: 2,854
functionally the trailer will work just fine without one, as long as your electrical source meets all specs at all times. but this just doesn't happen! I have been at a campground where there was some weather nearby and suddenly a flash of lightning, a thunderclap, and no power to the entire campground. none of our stuff was damaged. other people around us had issues. was it a fluke or did our ems system function as designed and protect us? I may not know for a absolute fact which it was, but the ems earned a gold star that day at least in my mind. there are many, many comments on the forum about hardwired vs portable. there are pros and cons. you will have to research and decide. but get the full ems system (not just the lower end surge protector). it protects from many more conditions. I would tell you to get one that displays the amps going through it. this feature has been very helpful in diagnosing or researching the electrical devices installed in the trailer. progressive industries is highly recommended due to the lifetime warranty and superb customer service. I have used their customer service and I can truly use the word superb to describe it.
__________________
2015 cardinal model 3825fl
2015 dodge ram 3500 dually
CHICKDOE is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2017, 03:26 PM   #9
Senior Member
 
MontyPP's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Posts: 484
Get one. All it takes is one time to for your RV electronics to get fried or burn out.
__________________
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
2016 Nissan Frontier Crew Cab
Flagstaff T21TBHW
MontyPP is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2017, 03:35 PM   #10
Site Team
 
Flybob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Posts: 11,965
They are a must have if you stay anywhere where lots of people stay and use either their AC or electric heaters. Most campgrounds were built when RVs had much lower power requirements and the wiring is not capable of handling 2-3 AC units per rig on a hot day. The voltage will drop and the compressor will heat up and can be damaged. A good Progressive EMS is cheap insurance. There are less expensive units, but Progressive has a lifetime warranty and many times the protector is damaged as part of it protection process.
__________________

2015 Freedom Express 248RBS
TV 2015 Silverado HD2500 Duramax
TST Tire Monitors
Honda 2000I + Companion
2 100W solar panels
Flybob is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2017, 03:42 PM   #11
Senior Member
 
Oaklevel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Virginia
Posts: 6,615
Quote:
Originally Posted by NMWildcat View Post
JoArt, I'm in the same boat as you. I know buying one of these expensive gizmos is not a bad idea and another layer of protection, but are they really as necessary as folks who have them say they are?

We have travelled all over the states and stayed in lots of RV parks for 30+ years and never had an electrical problem.

So do your homework and weigh the pros and cons of investing in one.

I think I'll take another couple of years to think about it
X2 Me too .......... never had one never needed one but who knows..................
__________________

2005 Dodge 3500 Cummins
2017 Wildwood Lodge 4092 BFL
1966 Mustang GT
1986 Mustang SVO
Lillie Spoiled Rotten Boxer Mix
Oaklevel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2017, 05:41 PM   #12
Member
 
Mountain Girl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 78
Yes!!!
Mountain Girl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2017, 06:20 PM   #13
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: Cloud 9 Ranch
Posts: 25
Without a doubt, get one, we purchased the progressive industries brand and have been very pleased. This past week it kicked in 2 days in a row. The holiday week caused more then normal usage on the campgrounds electrical system. We got to a point of 103 volts, thus the need for the protection.
__________________
The Loree's
2017 Cedar Creek 36CK2
DLoree is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2017, 06:58 PM   #14
Senior Member
 
gectisme's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: SF Bay Area
Posts: 845
I work in the electronics field and I am a firm believer in surge/sag/brown out/spike protection. Systems that run on clean power have a lower repair rate then ones that don't. It is still a crap-shoot, it all depends on where the cycle of 120 is at when that spike hits and what type of current any given type of equipment is drawing. You might get lucky and never have an issue or you could be Murphy and always have damage after a power issue... It's also a cumulative stress, the more hits a piece of equipment takes the more likely it will fail. It's all risk versus money and sometimes money wins out and you take the risk.

Another issue that a good EMS will spot, which is more important to me with my family, is a power pedestal that has wiring problems, you might never know it until someone grabs the wrong pieces of metal on the RV and dies from being electrocuted. I don't have to use my DVM and measure the pedestal any more, my EMS tells me as soon as I plug it in. We have been on the road or a year and so far out of 69 RV parks only one had a wiring problem, the EMS caught it, the handy man fixed it and all was good. So if I did my math correctly that is 1.4% of the RV parks we have been to had a problem, pretty low.

Good luck with what ever you choose.
__________________
2016 Windjammer 3006WK - Sold July 2018
2002 Lance Lite 835EC TC - Sold July 2015
2010 Dodge Ram 2500, 4x4, Diesel, Front Hitch, Air Lift 5000 Rear Air Bags, Sold Mar 2019.

MISSION COMPLETED!
gectisme is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2017, 07:10 PM   #15
Senior Member
 
great white's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Canada
Posts: 662
To me it's like house or car insurance: you buy it hoping you'll never need it, but there's always that one bad day that you hoped would never happen.......

I have an EMS 30A in my trailer. Gives me peace of mind if nothing else.

Last thing I want to be doing in the middle of a trip is replacing a fridge, or an AC unit, or a tv, or.....

Adds one little bit extra piece of "relax, you're on vacation, nothing is gonna go wrong" to my trips.

__________________

2011 Flagstaff Classic Superlight 831RLBSS "Atrium slide"
Husky Centerline Hitch
2016 Ford F-150 EcoBoost SuperCrew, Lariat Sport, Max Tow package
great white is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2017, 07:12 PM   #16
Enjoying Life
 
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: Texas
Posts: 607
Quote:
Originally Posted by JoArt View Post
Hello,
I am wanting some input into how important a Surge Protection plug has been for folks.
Are these needed because you are loading in heavy power needed items like a TVs or several computers at the same time?
I wondered if any one has had an electrical power surge that might have been prevented because of the Surge Protector?
If I needed one of these....I have a 102A Rockwood would I need more than the 30amps? What is the "enhanced diagnostics" Surge Protection? Is it needed?
What brand/ mark would folks recommend purchasing?
Does Rockwood already have a Surge Protection device already in the trailer?

Thanks in advance I know I have a lot of questions.
Start by answering these questions for yourself:

Do you carry insurance on your car/truck?
Do you carry insurance on your trailer/motorhome?
Do you carry insurance on yourself?
Do you like to replace things that could have lasted longer?

If your answers are Yes to any of the first 3 and No to the last one then I think you answered the question on whether you should have one.
It is cheap insurance against a possible disaster.
Progressive seems to be the odds on favorite among the traveling crowd.

Good luck.
__________________
2019 Rockwood 2608BSD 2019 F250 4x4 6.2
ďLife should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming "Wow! What a Ride!Ē - Hunter S. Thompson, The Proud Highway: Saga of a Desperate Southern Gentleman, 1955-1967
TeachTexas is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2017, 07:29 PM   #17
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 248
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oaklevel View Post
X2 Me too .......... never had one never needed one but who knows..................
"You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make......."
__________________
Unencumbered By The Thought Process
tande is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2017, 07:31 PM   #18
Senior Member
 
Cypressloser's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Alberta - East of the Rockies, West of the Rest
Posts: 1,782
When you stay at a CG in summer when everybody has their AC's running full blast, the Voltage drops to 100 Volts or lower due to system overload and the Amperage draw spikes which causes overheating and leads to premature failure of the AC and all other systems in the RV. This is the most common problem we have experienced over the years, the simple solution is a surge protector that monitors the Voltage and shuts down when it senses an issue. The other option would be to invest in a Voltage regulator like the Hughes Autoformer to deal with Voltage fluctuations.
I, unlike others have not come across a pedestal that was not correctly wired, I have however seen a number of 30 and 50 Amp receptacles that showed severe burn marks from when the cord was connected or disconnected with the breaker switched on which can also cause problems.
It's simply 'pay me now or pay me later', your choice.
__________________
2018 RAM 5500 Laramie CC
Sold: Riverstone Legacy 38RE, 960 Watt Solar, 6x6 Volt AGM Battery Bank, Freedom SW 3012 Inv/Charger
Ordered: 2021....
Cypressloser is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2017, 07:43 PM   #19
Senior Member
 
Hutch333id's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Cochrane, AB
Posts: 829
I am two and a half weeks in to a four and a half week trip out east. One of the CGs we stayed at had an open ground fault that my PI EMS picked up and wouldn't let me connect to - no doubt saving some damage to the appliances in my RV. At another CG the voltage repeatedly dropped to a point were the PI EMS kicked in each time and shut down the power coming in to my RV - again, presumably saving me some damaged appliances.
I've had the unit and the RV for three years now and would never plug in without it.
__________________


Richard & Diane
2014 Cedar Creek 38FL
2016 F350 Lariat CC DRW
Retired Metropolitan Police (UK)
Hutch333id is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-09-2017, 06:57 AM   #20
194'er
 
Jaydubya81's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Ballground, GA
Posts: 163
My parents never had one, they've been camping all over the south for forty years and have never had one. I've had three different campers and have been pulling my own camper for 15 years now , and I've never had one nor have I had any problems without it. With that said I don't think anyone could argue that they don't do there job and occasionally save the day. However a ( surge protector), is going to nothing for you with low voltage or high voltage, they only protect you from a power surge. You need some kind of EMS unit to give you total electrical protection . The problem with those , is they're expensive, as expensive as to replace an AC unit or fridge on your camper? No ! However like I previously mentioned, my family has never had a problem without one. I don't think they're really as necessary as people make out . I mean they didn't exist twenty years ago! How did they ever do it?
To sum it up;
Do you Need one, no.
Would it be a good idea? Yes
Have people camped for years without one? Yes
Have there been people hell bent on saying you need this or your camper will go up in flames, YES

I'm willing to take the risk. I could buy a new AC unit for what you give for a real ems unit, it's not that serious. Go camping, enjoy yourselves, people have been doing it for years, I still see way more people without one than I do with one.
Jaydubya81 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


» Featured Campgrounds

Reviews provided by

Disclaimer:

This website is not affiliated with or endorsed by Forest River, Inc. or any of its affiliates. This is an independent, unofficial site.



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:35 AM.