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Old 08-01-2020, 07:24 AM   #1
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What tow vehicle for Aframe

What vehicle are you using to tow your Aframe? I am going to buy my vehicle before choosing my Aframe.
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Old 08-01-2020, 09:27 AM   #2
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I use minivans because they make great touring cars when not towing. Present tow vehicle for my Flagstaff 2019 T21TBHW (same as A213HW) is a 2008 Hyundai Entourage minivan (re-badged Kia Sedona) with 3.5L V6 and 5 spd transmission (1157 lbs cargo capacity). I would not want to pull anything bigger or heavier with that minivan. It was better with the non-HW A-frame - the extra frontal area of the High Wall takes a toll on gas mileage and forces higher RPMs earlier. The Entourage now has 231K miles, and is still doing the job. The Entourage came stock with a huge auxiliary transmission oil cooler, so no mods were made beyond installing hitch, wiring, and brake controller. I ditched the dealer-supplied braked controller for a Prodigy 2, which provides much smoother braking. When highway conditions permit, I tow at 73 mph on the cruise, getting 13-14mpg. There is enough power to easily maintain posted speeds in the Rockies on the upgrades (typically 60-65), and pass those who are not. 6% upgrades will require 4K RPM.

Given the tongue weights of A-frames (normally 400+ lbs, depending on loading), I would not tow with a minivan without a WDH. We use an E2 600/6000 very successfully. The E2 makes the minivan ride very close to stock with absolutely no sway, even in 35MPH cross-winds at Interstate speeds (65-75mph). The E2 does add about 4 minutes to hitch up/disconnect time and a few extra swings on the tongue jack. Dealer and I agreed to ditch the Flagstaff electric tongue jack and go with a quality manual tongue jack.

We just purchased a 2020 Toyota Sienna to be the Entourage replacement if/when it ever needs a major repair. Found out the 2 minivans even use the same size tires - good news, as the Entourage needed new tires. The 2020 Sienna came standard with the Toyota Tow Prep Package, which consisted of bigger radiator and fan, engine oil cooler, additional transmission oil cooling. The Sienna has a stronger engine, 8 spd transmission, and 200lbs more cargo capacity (1387lbs). I believe it will be a very capable tow vehicle for the A-frame.

just our experiences
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prev 2014 Rockwood A122 A-frame
2008 Hyundai Entourage minivan with E2 600/6000 WDH
camping Colorado and adjacent states one weekend at a time
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Old 08-01-2020, 09:53 AM   #3
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2018 audi q7, tow package, steel suspension, 6600 lb tow capacity, 1367 lb payload, prodigy p3 controller, husky sway bar. Have a214hw. Tongue weight 450-550 lbs loaded. Up to 19mpg on highway if i keep it under 70. Tows great, like camper not even there. And the q is an awesome daily driver when not towing.

Don’t worry about tow limit, focus on payload. You’ll overload that way before you get to the tow max.
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Old 08-01-2020, 05:48 PM   #4
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We use a Ford Escape with 2.0 litre ecoboost with no Weight distribution and have absolutely no sway, no power issues and @ 23 MPG while towing the Rockwood A122.

We are in Seattle and have traveled over the Rocky mountains to Montana, the Cascade pass to Spoksne and the Olympic mountains to go to the ocean with absolutely zero issues over the last three years.

We where surprised at how much better the Escape pulled a trailer then our Kia minivan we sold. The 2.0 ecoboost has 245 horsepower and 275lbs. of torque . Vs the Kia 276 horespower and 248 lbs torque. The turbo gives you the power at a much lower rpm then the kia 3.3 litre. You will feel the ecoboost having more pulling power at the lower rpms than the kia, it is night and day better than the van.

We get 23 mpg. Average in the Escape all wherl drive vs the Kia at 18mpg. Average while towing.

No regrets on the Escape and we also have friends using the Subaru and very happy.

Just make sure your within all weight capacities of whatever vehicle you choose and you'll be fine. Happy hunting.Click image for larger version

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Old 08-01-2020, 05:57 PM   #5
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What vehicle are you using to tow your Aframe? I am going to buy my vehicle before choosing my Aframe.
You might want to pick out the Aframe first (not buy, just select) and get all the weight numbers BEFORE you buy the vehicle. That way you'll be certain that the vehicle will be able to tow the rig.
You have no idea how many people we see on this site who buy or have the vehicle first, then decide to find out if their vehicle will pull the trailer.
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Old 08-01-2020, 06:37 PM   #6
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You might want to pick out the Aframe first (not buy, just select) and get all the weight numbers BEFORE you buy the vehicle. That way you'll be certain that the vehicle will be able to tow the rig.
You have no idea how many people we see on this site who buy or have the vehicle first, then decide to find out if their vehicle will pull the trailer.
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Old 08-01-2020, 06:55 PM   #7
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The major limiting issue for smaller tow rigs is hitch weight around 350lbs. 3500lbs max tow. Make sure you are within max combined weight of trailer and tow rig, axle weights, cargo capacity etc.. Look at all numbers to make sure you dont exceed any numbers on whatever rig you choose. Good news is the A122 is around 2400 loaded for us and a 330 hitch weight. No issue for most sneak S.U.V.s. Any mid size or full size S.U.V. or truck will easily tow the snake Aframes.
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Old 08-02-2020, 03:40 PM   #8
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I have a A212HW and tow with a Nissan Frontier Kingcab 4 cylinder with no problems. But I only camp in Florida, Southern Georgia and lower Alabama. All pretty flat areas. Although I did camp in a hilly area of Florida in Clermont Florida with no problems. I get 15 mpg towing and 20 without towing.
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Old 08-06-2020, 07:17 PM   #9
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The max towing speed recommended is 65MPH. I towed my A214HW from Delaware to Yellowstone & Glacier National parks with my 2011 Toyota Highlander 7200 miles) and averaged better than 17 MPG.
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Current TV is in signature. For torque, acceleration, and transmission behavior, the Ridge is not great for towing even this small trailer, and I only get 14-15 mpg highway (average 60 mph). Also, the brakes seem underpowered - a common complaint of Ridge owners - and I have experienced multiple brake issues with this vehicle, through, I believe, little or no fault of my own. I do use a weight-carrying hitch as recommended by manufacturer (and to avoid unnecessary hassle). I have never experienced sway or instability, but there is a little rear axle sag. Actually I preferred my 4.0L 2002 Ford Ranger I used the first year of ownership! Note my Ridge is 1st-generation; I have seen more positive accounts of others' experiences, and 2nd-gen is probably better, in any event. Good luck with your selection.

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We use a Ford Escape with 2.0 litre ecoboost with no Weight distribution and have absolutely no sway, no power issues and @ 23 MPG while towing the Rockwood A122 [...]
And I wish I would have seen this before I decided to buy a new sedan last year to add to the Ridge - I was considering changing to a single-vehicle inventory, with the Escape at the top of consideration. I was not convinced it could do the job, so I am glad to see this report - I may need to refresh my vehicle situation next year.
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The max towing speed recommended is 65MPH. I towed my A214HW from Delaware to Yellowstone & Glacier National parks with my 2011 Toyota Highlander 7200 miles) and averaged better than 17 MPG.
Where did the 65mph recommendation come from?

I used to limit myself to 65 because of the speed rating on the Westlake tires on the 2014 A122. Now my tires (Castle Rock) on the A213HW are speed-rated for 75, so I'll set the cruise at 72-74 when roads are posted at 75+. Gas mileage takes a hit, but with Western distances, and still being a working stiff, time matters too.

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Old 08-08-2020, 06:06 PM   #13
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What vehicle are you using to tow your Aframe? I am going to buy my vehicle before choosing my Aframe.
Not that you could tow on the street, but I've hauled my neighbors A122 down by our cabin about a mile down the road with our Polaris Ranger. Those are nice rigs.
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X2-post 5. That is the right way to do it. Look at payload on the specific TV on drivers door frame. Bling items come off payload which is the key number to consider.
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Old 08-08-2020, 09:37 PM   #15
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I tow my A122 Toy Hauler (Bigger tires and heavier frame) with a GMC Sierra 1500. I cruise on the highway. The truck doesn't even notice it back there
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We just purchased an 2021 A122s and hauled it up to Cape cod from Northern Virginia in a 2009 Honda Odyssey for a week long trip. I have installed aftermarket trans and power steering coolers as well as Airlift 1000s pumped all the way to their max. Definitely not the best tow vehicle on long sustained climbs but it does the job for now!Click image for larger version

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What the hitch weight of your setup?
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