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Old 01-17-2015, 04:05 PM   #21
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All my years camping I never had anyone steel my tanks.But I guess it only take 1 bozo.I would just get a heavy duty nylon braided chain and secure the tanks to the frame or something.
Don't know why S knight was getting all upset.It not his and I never said I lock mine but if others do be easy to get to them even locked
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WOW! I'm a retired volunteer firefighter and all I would be concerned with is how to shut off the source of fuel to the fire. Legally locked or not doesn't concern me, it's just how fast I can get to the tank. Besides, I would rather have a fellow camper open an unlocked door and turn off the propane if it's leaking instead of walking away because it's locked. An ounce of prevention by a neighbor could save a vacation.
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I will add, if the local AHJ (Fire Official) is having a really bad hair day, while not able to fine you, CAN have the camper impounded for however long, due to reasons for whatever reasons fit. I say go ahead and risk it. As for me, mine are secured from the inside, as the locked door is too easy to pry open, causing more cost in damage to frame, door and camper than the canister is worth to replace!
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All my years camping I never had anyone steel my tanks.But I guess it only take 1 bozo.I would just get a heavy duty nylon braided chain and secure the tanks to the frame or something.
Don't know why S knight was getting all upset.It not his and I never said I lock mine but if others do be easy to get to them even locked
But life goes on And spring can't get here soon enough
As I said in the post that was deleted, I'm not upset. Last thing I'm worried about are keyboard cowboys trolling me.

Too bad someone else didn't chime in though, backing me up.

Oh wait, yeah that happened a few posts ago in this thread. Have an awesome weekend fellas.
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Old 01-17-2015, 09:23 PM   #25
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I'm with SKnight. Having had a Dad that was a Firefighter and being a retired cop, I know that it is illegal to lock the propane door. Also, having a propane fire in a mobile home that destroyed about half of the home makes you respect the power and fury of a propane tank blowing off excess propane on its way to exploding. Why would anyone want to lock that door. If its because you are worried about theft of the tank, I understand, but your safety and the safety of your loved ones is much more important than the price of a new tank.
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I'm with SKnight also. If you had seen what I have seen over the years you would understand. It seems like a minor issue but its not. The few seconds it takes to get a pry bar, open the door on the road or in the campground can make all the difference...........

I see too many people that think that they are going home tonight & they do not ....ever... you life ..... your loved ones lives are more important than a stolen tank.....I compare it to the chicken plant owner that locked his doors to keep the chicken from being stolen............. ( not really the same but something to think about )

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Old 01-17-2015, 09:59 PM   #27
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Alot of misinformation in this entire thread............

Not trying for an argument but..........

NFPA, ANSI, and other consensus standards while it is true in themselves are not always law (Many are Law). But enforcement agencies such as Fire Marshals and OSHA can site ANY of them when the need requires it. So in effect yes they are law. OSHA of course only against employers.



This was my point....if you can be sited for it and or fined for then call it what you want it's going to cost you and in effect a law...again add to that if a lawyer gets a hold of it weather or not the locked enclosure caused the problem or not it's what he will go after in a "law" suit.....and let's bring up one more thing.....the Good Samaritan....suppose your out site seeing and someone walking by your coach happened to smell propane....would you not want him or her to reach in and close your valve to perhaps prevent some mishap??

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I'm not saying that putting a lock on an unlock-able compartment is wise, however locks will only keep honest people honest!
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Old 01-17-2015, 11:27 PM   #29
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One more time, just for clarity and sanity. Once camper is picked up at storage and LP turned on, door is unlocked and stays that way for entire time LP is in use. Once camper is parked back in dry dock and LP valve is closed, the door is locked.
So a quick synopsis, LP tank valve open, door unlocked, LP tank valve closed, door locked.
I am for all intents and purposes following the law. Tho I will now be on the lookout for the local fire marshall doing suprise inspections of campers at my local storage facility in addition to the DOT cop who is going to inspect my tires to ensure they say ST on the sidewall and the highway patrolman who carries a set of scales to do a weight check of my TV to ensure my RGAWR has not been exceeded...
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It's simple to put an eye bolt in where the tank is and not mess with changing the latch to a lock. I just put a chain around the tank handle and locked it to the eye bolt. Crack heads will pull live wire out of a light pole for the copper, do you know how much a new tank and filling it costs? They are not cheap. Just lock the tank and move on.
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Wrap it in log chains and put sergeant and green leaf locks on it. It will only keep honest people honest. It's your RV you want it now so you go for it !!!
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Or, you could save the expense of the locks and just place a post it note on the tanks saying "Please don't steal my tank".

RhoZeta One more time, just for clarity and sanity. Once camper is picked up at storage and LP turned on, door is unlocked and stays that way for entire time LP is in use. Once camper is parked back in dry dock and LP valve is closed, the door is locked.
So a quick synopsis, LP tank valve open, door unlocked, LP tank valve closed, door locked.




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It's so easy to sit back and speculate about what the fire department should and shouldn't do.

I worked closely with public service for many years, they adhere to their training, if they pull up they're not going to pull up a chair with you and watch it burn.

Here's the official NFPA code 58 PDF, pg 48, paragraph e, point 1. You can search the document for "Lock" and find more guidelines.

This is the link to the PDF.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...83829542,d.eXY

Leave armchair quarterbacking for Sunday. There are rules and reasons for everything.

Actually, this is hilarious. If your weight goes one pound over your tow rating you're an overloaded idiot and god help you if you so much as touch one of MY family members.

But lock the doors, against code specified by the NFPA? Pishaw, I'll sit back having a cold one as it burns with my insurance agent on the line telling them where to send the check. They'll never know I locked the tanks against code.

Reading this rule may be very well what they changed the location of the furnace on the 8289 to the opposite side. My furnace is under the stairs blocking egress.
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I have mine cabled locked to the frame of the tongue. One could easily shut off the gas if there was a issue. Never gave it much thought if I was or am breaking any laws.
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One more time, just for clarity and sanity. Once camper is picked up at storage and LP turned on, door is unlocked and stays that way for entire time LP is in use. Once camper is parked back in dry dock and LP valve is closed, the door is locked.
So a quick synopsis, LP tank valve open, door unlocked, LP tank valve closed, door locked.
I am for all intents and purposes following the law. Tho I will now be on the lookout for the local fire marshall doing suprise inspections of campers at my local storage facility in addition to the DOT cop who is going to inspect my tires to ensure they say ST on the sidewall and the highway patrolman who carries a set of scales to do a weight check of my TV to ensure my RGAWR has not been exceeded...
No not really are you not following the law as there can be a fire at the storage facility even though the tanks are off, the fire department does not know that & will check them. even if the fire is next door which means they need to open a locked door. You are playing Russian roulette with the first responders lives. Lock the tanks to the frame but not access to them.

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I have mine cabled locked to the frame of the tongue. One could easily shut off the gas if there was a issue. Never gave it much thought if I was or am breaking any laws.

I would think that as long as you can shut off the gas or be able to inspect the tank for damage so that first responders can get a better idea of what they are dealing with, you should be fine.

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As a retired Fire Chief. Baaaaad move. Propane tanks don't have to be on to burn. In fact, they only burn for a short time and then, an explosion like you have never seen.

As fast as you can, for the safety of your family, firefighters and any possibility of saving your RV, remove those locks.
In most states, it would be considered a crime to lock those doors.. If you ever had an insurance claim, I bet it would be denied.
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Or, you could save the expense of the locks and just place a post it note on the tanks saying "Please don't steal my tank".

RhoZeta One more time, just for clarity and sanity. Once camper is picked up at storage and LP turned on, door is unlocked and stays that way for entire time LP is in use. Once camper is parked back in dry dock and LP valve is closed, the door is locked.
So a quick synopsis, LP tank valve open, door unlocked, LP tank valve closed, door locked.




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I understood that too.

Here's the problem with that logic, if a fire happens, if insurance asks for an investigation, if they find locks that shouldn't be there in the first place, it could cause you problems.

All when you could lock the cylinder itself down and do the same thing within the bounds of code.
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.....and it does not matter weather the locked cabinet had ANY THING at all to with the fire.....the fact is any lawyer will use that as a reason to sue and get more money......yeah it's perhaps a million to one shot but I would not take the chance and make matters worse.

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As fast as you can, for the safety of your family, firefighters and any possibility of saving your RV, remove those locks.
In most states, it would be considered a crime to lock those doors.. If you ever had an insurance claim, I bet it would be denied.
One last time as I guess this is complicated, my family and I are not in, on or around the camper when the LP is off and the door is locked.

I guess I also need to have the manager of the storage facility remove the lock on the gate to get in the storage facility too, just in case my camper decides to spontaneously combust...

I will take my chances on insurance adjustors, lawsuits and prison, that is how I like to roll.
I do appreciate everybody's concern tho, however misplaced it may be.
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