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Old 08-29-2018, 06:56 PM   #1
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So we have a new TT (Silverback 37MBH), towing with a 17 F350 SRW. TT weighs 12000 empty. Should I be trading up to a dually???

I am just under GVRW. Everything else is way under...
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Hi,

Is that your actual going-down-the-road weight, or what the brochure says? It

Makes a huge difference ....

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Old 08-29-2018, 07:55 PM   #3
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12000 is the unloaded weight. Iím about 11000 on the axles. 2200 on the pin. I can never figure these different weights out. I understand them, but they just never seem to add up.

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Is that your actual going-down-the-road weight, or what the brochure says? It

Makes a huge difference ....

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Old 08-29-2018, 08:29 PM   #4
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Hi xd,

The reason is ask if those are actual weights is because I know there was a huge difference from published numbers when I got the actual numbers on my Silverback 33RL, which is a notably smaller unit than yours.

And with your extra length, probable one more air conditioner than me, and likely a levelling system I don't have -- let's just say I'm surprised.

FWIW.

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Old 08-29-2018, 08:44 PM   #5
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My CAT weight with a loaded truck, but empty trailer, except for a full tank of fresh water, was 22,500. The truck was right at 11,000.

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Hi xd,

The reason is ask if those are actual weights is because I know there was a huge difference from published numbers when I got the actual numbers on my Silverback 33RL, which is a notably smaller unit than yours.

And with your extra length, probable one more air conditioner than me, and likely a levelling system I don't have -- let's just say I'm surprised.

FWIW.

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12000 is the unloaded weight. I’m about 11000 on the axles. 2200 on the pin. I can never figure these different weights out. I understand them, but they just never seem to add up.
Sort of sounds like you did stop at a scales and got an actual weight. What it means is since you are at 11,000 lbs on the axles you only have 500 lbs you can add to the truck. So when you load the 5th wheel some of that weight is going to be transferred to the truck and with the cargo compartments up front, a lot of that weight will be on the pin which means on the truck. Not a lot to play with. My guess is that you will be overweight when loaded. However before spending the big bucks for a new truck, load up the trailer and go back to the scales and decide if you are uncomfortable with the weight.

Just saw your latest post with full water. Maybe you can help the truck weight out with less water, depends on location of tank. My opinion is if you can stay under 11,500 its fine.
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It would be kind of tough to get a whole more in the truck. There is some room for suitcases, but I can't see them being more than 50#. At this point I'm not carrying a generator around, so the truck bed is usually empty, except for a cooler of food and beer that might weight 75#. For some reason, I don't like to put things in the fridge that won't fit on the doors (when traveling). Always worried it will fall over (and spill) or go sliding around...

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Sort of sounds like you did stop at a scales and got an actual weight. What it means is since you are at 11,000 lbs on the axles you only have 500 lbs you can add to the truck. So when you load the 5th wheel some of that weight is going to be transferred to the truck and with the cargo compartments up front, a lot of that weight will be on the pin which means on the truck. Not a lot to play with. My guess is that you will be overweight when loaded. However before spending the big bucks for a new truck, load up the trailer and go back to the scales and decide if you are uncomfortable with the weight.

Just saw your latest post with full water. Maybe you can help the truck weight out with less water, depends on location of tank. My opinion is if you can stay under 11,500 its fine.
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It would be kind of tough to get a whole more in the truck. There is some room for suitcases, but I can't see them being more than 50#. At this point I'm not carrying a generator around, so the truck bed is usually empty, except for a cooler of food and beer that might weight 75#. For some reason, I don't like to put things in the fridge that won't fit on the doors (when traveling). Always worried it will fall over (and spill) or go sliding around...
You need some fridge bars for the items on the shelves. These keep things from falling over and sliding around. We put all kinds of things on the shelves and never have had a problem with items moving, even on some of the roughest roads.
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Should have figured there was a solution to that fridge issue...

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You need some fridge bars for the items on the shelves. These keep things from falling over and sliding around. We put all kinds of things on the shelves and never have had a problem with items moving, even on some of the roughest roads.
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GVWR (Gross Vehicle Weight Rating) does not include trailer weight, only pin weight and truck. The GCWR (Gross Combined Weight Rating) is the weight of the truck and trailer. I would check your numbers.
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Hi,

I confess I am sort of stunned that this much bigger, likely more fully equipped, rig weighs less than mine.

Color me envious, at least weight-wise.

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Hi,

If you have a CAT scale printout, perhaps you can provide the actual numbers for each axle. That might clarify things a bit.

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I do have those, just not with me. I'll scan and send a copy over later tonite. I know the GCW was 22500. The truck GVW was around 11000. I actually have two tickets. One with just the truck (and pin weight) which is just under 11000. I left the trailer hanging off the back o f the scale for this. The second one has the axle weights. That one has the truck a little over 11000 (adding front and rear axles together).

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If you have a CAT scale printout, perhaps you can provide the actual numbers for each axle. That might clarify things a bit.

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I do have those, just not with me. I'll scan and send a copy over later tonite. I know the GCW was 22500. The truck GVW was around 11000. I actually have two tickets. One with just the truck (and pin weight) which is just under 11000. I left the trailer hanging off the back o f the scale for this. The second one has the axle weights. That one has the truck a little over 11000 (adding front and rear axles together).


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Hi xd,

Thanks for the photos.

You said in an earlier post that you have 2,200 for pin weight. Could an unloaded F350 SRW really weigh almost 9,000 pounds on its own?

Gotta think more about what I'm missing here...

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Hi xd,

Thanks for the photos.

You said in an earlier post that you have 2,200 for pin weight. Could an unloaded F350 SRW really weigh almost 9,000 pounds on its own?

Gotta think more about what I'm missing here...

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The unloaded weight of the truck is 8000 lbs. 48 gallons of diesel, 500 lbs of people, couple hundred for hitch and other misc junk. It adds up.
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Got it. Thanks.


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It does add up, I just weighed my 2018 F350, SRW, Diesel (34 gallons, crew cab, short bed) Me, DW, some tools and the 5th wheel hitch .. 8500lbs
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Old 11-13-2018, 09:37 AM   #19
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I have the same Silverback! Just traded my 3500 SRW Ram for a DRW and the difference is towing stability is amazing!!! My SRW pulled it ok. but I am amazed at the difference now! Love this Dually
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