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Old 09-21-2018, 10:28 AM   #1
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Bed height on newer F350

In looking at newer Ford F350s, it seems that the bed height is significantly higher than my 2011 F250. Iím wondering if my Cedar Creek would end up nose high with a newer truck, and the impact on bed clearance. Any feedback on actual experience would be appreciated!
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Old 09-21-2018, 10:34 AM   #2
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I don't have measurements but my 2018 F350 4x4 bed is much higher than my 2012 F250 4x4. Funny thing is that the 2018 squats down and all is level when towing.
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Changed from a 2010 CC to 2015 CKTS also change from F250 to 2014 F350 and the only thing I had to do was adjust the hitch down one notch. There was not a lot of difference and not problem keeping it level.
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Old 09-21-2018, 11:09 AM   #4
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I'm nose high in my F250. I've lowered the hitch as much as possible, I've raised the kingpin as much as possible. I'm ok, clearance wise, so far. It's about 5" at it's shortest point, and about 7" by the pin. I haven't had any situations where I might be close to hitting the bed on the fiver, but I have also damaged the hell out of my tonneau cover's rails from the pinbox making contact in a turn. I may have to put the pin back where it was before.

These are from before the pin was raised:

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However, I'm also pulling a fairly light trailer. It only squats about an 1" when hooked up. A heaver pin like your Cedar Creek might negate that with more of a squat.
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When I bought my 2014 F350 the dealer told me the bed height is 2" up until you put the load on it then it levels out with the weight.
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Old 09-21-2018, 01:59 PM   #6
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My only concern with the nose up, would be the extra pressure on the rear axle of the trailer
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Might need to lift the trailer off the axles some .
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Old 09-21-2018, 03:46 PM   #8
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I've had some of the same issues with my 2016 CC 34rl and 2015 Silverado dually. Although it tows level, there is very little clearance between the sides of the bed and the underside of the front of the CC. There are a few scrapes on the bottom of the front of the CC to prove it. All the newer pickups are raising the sides of the pickup bed to claim more "cargo volume". I understand that the 2019 Chevy/GMC HD have pickup bed sides that are another inch taller than the 2018 models. I also cannot make really sharp turns as the pinbox wants to hit the side of the pickup bed/bed cover. If you make the hitch too tall it doesn't fit under a bed cover and you risk raising the height of the trailer above the 13' 6" limit. It's a real balancing act.
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Old 09-21-2018, 06:01 PM   #9
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I hadnít thought about the squat factor. My F250 squats some, but I have airbags on it to keep it level. My Superglide hitch isnít adjustable for height, so that may be an additional issue to consider.
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Old 09-21-2018, 08:41 PM   #10
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Wow,

I donít like how that looks at all. That looks like more than a 2 inch difference. You might have to put a lowering kit on that Ford.

I recently bought a Ram and one of the reasons is that the Ford had only an 1/8 inch clearance to get it in my garage.
The Ram is a couple of inches shorter on bed height.
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2017 F-350 Dually and a 2018 Cedar Creek Champagne 38EL and all is well. 7 inch clearance over bed rail and trailer level. I got the Reese 26,500 hitch that is made for the Ford. Bought the hitch from Ford so I knew it should be the correct one. Paid a little more but all is well.
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Old 09-21-2018, 11:14 PM   #12
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2017 F-350 Dually and a 2018 Cedar Creek Champagne 38EL and all is well. 7 inch clearance over bed rail and trailer level. ...

My experience is similar. (2018 F450 Dually and 2017 Riverstone Legacy 38FB)

Although the 2017+ Super Duty trucks sit higher in the rear than their processors, many of the newer 5th wheels overhang are also higher.

As someone already posted, it is indeed a balancing act. And some of the combinations work much better than others.
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I have had some height issues in the past when I changed vehicles. Seems as if the 4x4 trucks are always higher than 2x's. One previous trailer I was able to swap the leaf springs from under to over the axle which gave me plenty of clearance and this is a common thing to do. Now I have a 2018 GMC 3500 Denali Dually and a 2018 Columbus Compass and when I first towed it I crunched the Electrical Junction Box that holds the splices that connects my Umbilical cord to the trailer. At the time it was mounted on the back of the King Pin Not much damage only a mangled junction box and some of the metal shaved off the Tonneau Cover Track. I had to raise the Truck Bed Hitch to the highest position and I moved (after having to replace with new, (jeez there are allot of wires in that box)) the junction box up higher on the King Pin. After coupling up and the truck squatting ever so slightly the front of the 5er is pointing up ever so slightly but nothing I can't live with. It seems at times when I'm pulling into an unlevel spot that it's still pretty close but I remain diligent and take it slow. I have towed with it numerous times since and haven't had any handling issues. due to the unlevel towing but like I said it's not much. Gotta do what ya gotta do...Drives the DW a bit crazy with it not being level but I'm able to shut her up after mentioning we will just have to buy another 5er...
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When shopping for a fifth wheel I became very concerned about this issue.

All fivers are not the same height to the bottom of the front area.

The Cedar Creek has more clearance than others! I measured many. High end models are mostly similar.

They do however have the longer pin boxes. An issue with Anderson hitches and side rails.

Most trucks changed bed heights In recent years. When we bought the fiver in late 17 I know the Ram was close to 60Ē, single rear wheel 4X4. The Chevrolet was slightly lower. Did not measure the Ford. The DW hated the look of it. Would not test drive it. It is her truck.

Mine squats about 2.5 inches and is very level. I have The 34RE. The lightest hitch weight CC at #1850 on paper.

One dealer told me all the fivers he sells go out nose high.
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Similar 5er leveling problems with my 2017 F350 4x4, I had a 2015 Montana 318RE, which after combinations of fifth wheel and pinbox adjustments I had an RV dealer weld a 4" subframe to finally bring it level. I now have a 2018 Sandstorm 286GSLR, so with my Ford (Reese) 18k fifth wheel adjusted all the way up, I have what I consider the minimum 6" bed clearance. Unfortunately it sits about 7" nose high, and being a toyhauler I don't want to lift the subframe
again, increasing the ramp angle and make it harder to load my Harley or other toys. So I am considering swapping out the rear spring blocks for some shorter ones to help level it. So far I haven't had any problems with a 1200 lb CanAm Maverick in the back of the toyhauler, but realize the extra weight on the rear axle and tires being that off level could give problems down the road. Of course the RV salesman told me that they are making trailers specifically to work with the newer trucks as his nose grew before my eyes.
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m151usmc, it does appear nose high...but not crazy high like some! Maybe weigh it to see the axle loads before making changes?

The Ford Truck Enthusiasts (https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/) has many posts on the subject. Many people have swapped to shorter OEM spacer blocks for the rear truck axle. Ford has shims to adjust the pinion angle if needed.

There is also a company that makes custom blocks with choice of heights/taper/bump stop tangs. 2017-18 Ford Superduty Fabricated Lift Blocks

BTW, if you do raise the trailer, the ramp could be modified to keep the approach angle reasonable. 2 short "legs" mounted to the outside top of the door and a hinged ramp extension mounted to the inside top of the door. This approach is not uncommon for trailers hauling vehicles with low ground clearance.
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Old 09-23-2018, 11:39 AM   #17
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Any feedback on actual experience would be appreciated!
FYI: 2017 F350 dually 4x2 ground to bed level = 34 inches & ground to top of bed rails = 55 inches.

B&W hitch has both up/down & front/rear adjustability.
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You know as structural engineers that if you raise the fiver it changes the center of gravity. More prone to roll over.

Tell the factory so the warranty is void.

Not to mention it raises the height of the fiver. Most fivers with a front ac really are already too tall.

Most of the dual wheel trucks have lower rails.

Many fifth wheels are designed with heights in front of 55”. Gives you more headroom.

I figured this all out while shopping last year. I almost bought a fiver that was 55” high in the front. I called the factory for advice. A 90’s 350 works. Everything else voids the warranty. Not their problem.

My Cedar Creek 34RE is near perfect with my 2016 Ram.

One of our local dealers said “all of the fivers we sell are nose high nowadays”.
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With high hopes but shallow pockets, I follow a DRV - Mobile Suites - forum. DRV is offering a 2" riser on the coach frame as a $300 option on custom-ordered coaches, to match the late-model - but mostly Ram - 1-ton pick ups.

The thinking..."It is a lot simpler to raise the hitch point to match a higher trailer than to lower the hitch and lose bed clearance."

This is from a (DRV) forum member after speaking with one of the larger DRV dealerships...

"For what it is worth I talked to the General Manager at RVs for Less today and was told that:
- the cost is $300 if the frame has not already been built and $1500 to add it after the fact.
- The riser is strictly to achieve a level towing condition and is most needed for Dodge trucks, as their beds are the highest made and thus are most likely to pull un-level.
- GMs without the riser will see a slight off-level that is all but undetectable to unknowing observers and I am thinking my wife's wardrobe in the bedroom closet will really bring it very close to level
- Fords are the least likely to need it as their beds are much lower than the Dodges."

Bed heights are much more critical when pulling a DRV, whose pin weights run about 4,000#... not for the faint or heart, nor truck.
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