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Old 09-15-2016, 08:30 AM   #1
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Cedar Creek Turning Radius

I'm new to 5th wheels and hear a lot about using sliders hitches or you will take out your back window.

So my question is with the Cedar Creek Hathaway rounded front end, and not the cut back like the silverback, how tight of a turn, backing up, can you make?

My truck will be a short bed SRW, using a Curt 24k non slider.

I don't plan on pushing it to the limit every time, but would like to know it is possible if needed.
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Old 09-15-2016, 08:36 AM   #2
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Without the cutback cap I would think you are putting yourself at a 85% risk of doing damage, I have a Silverback with 6'6" box I do not have a slider (my choice) and find it does not come close to hitting anything but when I look out I'd say it only misses because of the cut back. Hope this is a help to you.
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Old 09-15-2016, 08:37 AM   #3
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30 degrees is about all you can expect.
Personally I wouls be more worried about weights
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Old 09-15-2016, 09:22 AM   #4
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Well there is a saying those who tow with a short bed truck. When not using a slider hitch will either have hit the cab or will hit the cab in the future! It is just a matter of time. I have had three 5TH wheels trailers all being towed with a short bed truck, and I've have had the slider hitch being used in the truck. My wife still checks the clearance when we back up sometimes with our Cedar Creek, the trailer gets awful close to the cab with the hitch extended when backing up sometimes.
Just my $0.02.
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Old 09-15-2016, 02:42 PM   #5
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Don't push your luck .get a slider on short bed truck or get a long bed truck
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Old 09-15-2016, 03:38 PM   #6
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I think it's pay me now for a slider or pay me later for a new window!
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I think it's pay me now for a slider or pay me later for a new window!
....and a new slider!
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Old 09-15-2016, 05:47 PM   #8
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SilverbackMel had a 36 ft 2012, Keystone. Made a TIGHT U TURN.
Hit my wallet; $650!!

It had a rounded cap.

Same truck.
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Old 09-15-2016, 05:49 PM   #9
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Cedar Creek Turning Radius

I have dents to prove you need one on an 05 SB Dodge... Maiden voyage...tight spot and rookie driver. Now I slide and don't have to worry. I even use backing in driveway. Could I get by without one now that I have a tiny bit more experience? Prolly, but I did then and it just takes the worry out. Trust me if you don't and you need one it will haunt you. If the spot isn't level then the odds are even worse.

BTW. I got mine on CL for $150 and it's a 16k REESE.


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Old 09-15-2016, 06:01 PM   #10
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Cedar Creek 36CKTS

If you are getting a Cedar Creek 36CKTS it weighs 8 tons. When I specked out the truck SRW it was only rated for 17,000 lbs. that does not give you much leeway. I went with dual rear wheels, and I got the long bed.
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Old 09-15-2016, 08:08 PM   #11
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Have popped out two back windows of 2 different short bed trucks with 2 different Sabre 5th Wheels. Tomorrow DH goes to the Dealer to buy a PULL RITE hitch. We supposedly have a Reese Slider, but he can't get it to engage.
HE'S SO DONE WITH IT!!!
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Old 09-16-2016, 12:03 AM   #12
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Forget the sliders! They are too heavy, take up too much room, and usually bind up when you need them the most.

Check out the sidewinders.

We have had them on the last two fifth wheels and love them! Reese also has a revolution hitch that is similar but I don't know much about it. See my signature for the model I have.

But you do need to get something for the short bed so you don't constantly have to watch and worry
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Old 09-17-2016, 07:28 AM   #14
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Look into Andersen...especially since you have a short bed SRW truck. You can get the added turning clearance while trimming away apx 300 lbs at the hitch. I towed my 36ckts with it in a SB but moved to a Dually LB after scaling it. I was over weight on my rear axle by a little and way over on my GVWR. I chose "peace of mind" by going DRW.

You will find that a SRW truck will be close to its capacities so every lbs counts.
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Forget the sliders! They are too heavy, take up too much room, and usually bind up when you need them the most.

Check out the sidewinders.

We have had them on the last two fifth wheels and love them! Reese also has a revolution hitch that is similar but I don't know much about it. See my signature for the model I have.

But you do need to get something for the short bed so you don't constantly have to watch and worry
I second the recommendation for a Revolution/Sidewinder. The trailer will also handle better and track closer to the TV (meaning a tighter turn with the same jack angle). We towed our 5er for about 1,000 miles with the turret locked before I got the wedge I needed and pulled the locking bolts. Was very pleased with the difference in performance and cab clearance. The last few degrees of jack angle before the clearance goes from "that still looks OK" to "HOLY CRAP!" happens really fast and is why so many people have had a cab strike despite trying to be careful.
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Old 09-19-2016, 11:20 AM   #16
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Thanks for all the replies.


I have been looking at the CC34RE, so with a 1 ton SRW truck, I will be fine on the weight.

This is why I posted this question, because I was told be the rep that the CC Hathaway has a 88 degree or better turn without a sliders. Looks like a slider or something like it will be in the budget.
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Old 09-19-2016, 11:33 AM   #17
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We have the B&W Companion hitch that fits into the gooseneck receiver in the bed. We used this on our quad cab short-bed Dodge with a Cardinal 3625 and now have it on the Dodge dually with the Champagne. We never had issues with the front cap even coming close to the truck cab.
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Old 09-19-2016, 01:17 PM   #19
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Buy the sidewinder☺
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Old 09-28-2016, 10:35 AM   #20
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Sorry for what may be stupid question, but I'm going to be new to towing a 5th wheel.

Do you have to worry about hitting the back window going forward or is the turning degree limited by the tow vehicle?

Thanks,
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