[QUOTE=todalake;2128737My thinking is that the 4 outlets are all on same circuit. Tested and verified that. That simply changing out one outlet to standard will not solve problem if something trips the other gfi. The freezer now plugged into the standard outlet would no longer trip the gfi tho. Not a electrician tho, my redneck idea is to run heavy appliance extension cord from washer/dryer closet beside it. Cut a hole between closets for cord. Maybe later put standard outlet there if deep enough.[/QUOTE]
Thought this was explained. Let's try again.
GFI outlets used to be very expensive--$75 back in the 1970s. So they have a sharing feature: They can be wired such that all downstream outlets are also protected. If any of the outlets has a fault, the GFI trips and all of the outlets lose power.
Another reason for installing them this way is that the GFI outlets (plus box) are deeper than the trailer walls. By daisy-chaining them in this manner, only one outlet has to be mounted with a surface extension but all are protected.
Let me try to answer your questions one at a time.
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Bear with me on this. Only one gfi outlet with gfi reset button in main bathroom. The 2 outside outlets have gfi label on them but no reset button. The 1/2 bath(now closet) had no label on it. However when gfi in bathroom tripped none of the outlets had power.
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Right. All of these outlets are daisy-chained from the one with the Test and Reset buttons, even if they forgot to put a sticker on one of them.
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Does a gfi outlet have to have a reset button or just one in the circuit have one.
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Just one. The first one in the chain, wired directly to the circuit breaker.
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Could the closet outlet with freezer on it trip the gfi circuit?
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Yes, any of the outlets downstream from the GFI can/will trip the GFI. That's the whole point of the downstream feature--only need expensive outlet that sticks out above the surface.
It is also possible, for example, that a heavy rain caused moisture on the outside outlet and that tripped the GFI, disabling the freezer.
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Can I replace the outlet in closet with standard outlet?
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It already is a standard outlet. And it can trip the GFI, just as the other two could. The point of the "feature" is that all the outlets wired after the GFI on the chain are inexpensive standard outlets. Only one expensive, thick GFI outlet is needed.
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If bathroom gfi trips, will my closet outlet work?
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No. The symptom you are seeing may have nothing to do with this outlet. Any outlet (this one or the bathroom, kitchen, or outdoor outlets) trips the GFI. The real problem is that when they made your closet, they wired the closet outlet through the GFI as they usually do for a 1/2 bath, instead of putting it on another circuit. An error at the factory.
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My thinking is that the 4 outlets are all on same circuit. Tested and verified that. That simply changing out one outlet to standard will not solve problem if something trips the other gfi.
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Correct. The freezer outlet is already standard. Nothing you change for a simple fix.
It would be possible to change the wiring at the GFI so that NONE of the downstream outlets could trip it, but that leaves the kitchen, bathroom, and outside outlets unprotected. That's dangerous; don't do it.
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The freezer now plugged into the standard outlet would no longer trip the gfi tho.
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Nope. The freezer is already on a standard outlet. Nothing would change from what you have now.
One way to get what you want is that if an electrician could replace the cable from the GFI to the freezer outlet from "2-wire plus ground" to "3-wire plus ground" and make the right connections, the freezer outlet would not be disabled when the GFI trips but the other outlets would still be protected. You would have to put the freezer outlet in an extended box on the surface, like the GFI.
Two qualifications:
1) If the freezer outlet is the first one downstream from the GFI this is easy. It gets trickier (not impossible) if it's not first.
2) If the cables from the GFI and freezer outlet run down, through the trailer floor, this is easy. If they run up and across the roof, it's very difficult.
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Originally Posted by todalake
my redneck idea is to run heavy appliance extension cord from washer/dryer closet beside it. Cut a hole between closets for cord. Maybe later put standard outlet there if deep enough.
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You could do this. An electrician might be able to do it more nicely by running cable down from the washer/dryer outlet, beneath the floor, and up to a outlet in the freezer closet, if there's enough cable slack in the washer-dryer area. Always good if you can get a professional-looking result.
Larry