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Old 02-25-2018, 07:24 PM   #41
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I buy American when I can. I had rather pay more and see a American keep there job but that just me. Buy what you like
In 1990 the tire company I worked for decided to launch a "Buy American" program. A lot of the tires we received were from American Companies but were often made in foreign countries like Mexico, Brasil, Taiwan, Korea, etc. These companies just produced product in any factory they owned (or controlled through contract) that had production molds available.

The "Buy American" program forced us to deal with a company that produced all of their product here in the US but for some reason they decided to have production problems about the same time we started offering their product exclusively. End result is it cost our company millions. Our dealers even started joking about how, when they sold a set of four tires, they had to order 8 more. One set of four to go back on the shelf and the other four to be ready for the PO'd customer who'd be back in a few weeks for adjustment (industry term for replacement).

As it is today, almost all US tire manufacturers that used to be big names are all now owned by foreign companies. Continental bought General, Michelin bought Uniroyal, BF Goodrich stopped making tires altogether.

Even my old company was sold to a Japanese manufacturer after I retired.

"American Made" doesn't always mean what it used to.
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Old 02-25-2018, 07:30 PM   #42
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I didn't say they weren't cheaper. But they were cheaper for many years, BEFORE they changed. Cost was not WHY they changed.

And I'll bet my unit is heavier dry than any Silverback, and the tires (same ones I'd wager) do cover the weight. Remember that about 20-25% of the weight is not on THOSE tires, but on the truck tires via the kingpin.
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ST tires for 36CKTS

“American Made” and “Buy American” are two different things.

That said, you will not find a tire that says “Made in USA” that was made in another country and part of the code on the tire is the plant ID.
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Old 02-25-2018, 11:43 PM   #44
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May I ask why you don't want the LT tires. My 2015 36CKTS came with Goodyear LT235/85R16. Since your's is a year newer than mine did they come with something different?
Do those tires have a load rating G?

I want ST tires because I am full timing and have to get into some tight spaces. I have seen my tires "deform" as I make a sharp turn. I don't think truck tires are up to that standard.
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Old 02-26-2018, 09:00 AM   #45
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Yes they are "G" rated tires.
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I will buy American made products and even pay a little more IF ~~~ if the quality is as good or better than others. G rated tires ,,,, I'll not pay twice as much for 2nd best. Actually, I'd pay more for Sailuns due to the safety factor.
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Yes they are "G" rated tires.
It appears from the Goodyear site that G614 are made for 5th wheels. I will add them to my consideration list of Westlake and Sailun.
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Old 02-26-2018, 02:02 PM   #48
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It appears from the Goodyear site that G614 are made for 5th wheels. I will add them to my consideration list of Westlake and Sailun.


How about letting us know what you find out, cost per tire.
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How about letting us know what you find out, cost per tire.
I will do. I should know within the next few days.
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The G614's SHOULD (?) be more readily available.

and I will struggle with this same choice when it's time for me to buy. My only point is that the Westlakes, that I had so much apprehension about initially, have held up beautifully.....and have had zero complaints, that I know of.......and they are on LOTS of brands at this size at the G rating load range.
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Old 02-26-2018, 06:02 PM   #51
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And that's what confuses everyone. You got almost the last ones like that.

Those WERE ST tires!!! Then Goodyear re-rated them as LT and so CC had to go to some other brand to satisfy the ST requirement. They chose Westlakes. Appears to have been a good choice. They could have chosen Sailuns, it seems.

I have NO IDEA if the Goodyear G614's changed in any material way when they were re-rated to LT. I cannot speak to that.
The G614 is a steel cased tire designed from the git-go with a LT prefix. GY earmarked it for trailer service and put the RST on it's sidewalls - Regional Service Trailer. The "why?" answer is buried somewhere in some confidential document owned by GY.
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Old 02-26-2018, 06:05 PM   #52
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On this site, the RST is still in the Ad at least:

https://simpletire.com/goodyear-lt23...RoCYZIQAvD_BwE

and this one:


https://www.goodyearrvtires.com/tire-selector.aspx

Not a clue what "Regional" means anyway.
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I am purchasing a new Silverback it comes with Westlake tires, the tire rating does not cover the dry weight of the unit let alone the GVWR of 16700. Which is why before the unit even gets hooked up to my TV I have upgraded the tires to GY G114s and new rims. You're probably right about most tire retailers but it would seem it doesn't matter to FR. Could be a case of the savings out weighs the cost of a possible court case. Which even if you have a solid case it would probably be tied up in court long enough that you would not gain from it. You may find a lawyer to take the case based on what he may win for you in court. Me, I'd rather choose my battles. I am aware the tires they use are cheap therefore I have upgraded hopefully saving me in the long run.
RV trailer tire fitment standards require the OE tires to have a load capacity - via inflation - equal to the GAWR (s) load capacity displayed on the trailers certification label. It's a minimum requirement and the trailer manufacturer is well within legal boundaries when providing a minimum standard.

Total Certified GAWR weights when added to the trailers recommended tongue weight MUST equal (or exceed) GVWR.
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Old 02-26-2018, 06:25 PM   #54
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“American Made” and “Buy American” are two different things.

That said, you will not find a tire that says “Made in USA” that was made in another country and part of the code on the tire is the plant ID.
But, how about the materials? Not long ago I read an article in a Tire Business News link about recycled rubber. New tires are allowed to have about 25% recycled rubber from recycled tires in them. Wondering where they were recycled or the plant where they were originally manufactured?

I know, there are watch-dog outfits that keep things like that within limits. One China tire manufacturer has already suffered a huge recall for using too much recycled rubber in some of their heavy duty exported truck tires.
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I think the issue is more with poor manufacturing than poor materials. Poor QA/QC.
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Let's beat this dead horse some more and start a new post on the same subject. Being sarcastic.
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I know what Cedar Creek’s line is about how much weight each tire can hold. But if that was true then why was other trailers allowed to be sold with the Goodyear’s on the Creek’ that had not been sold yet. Other rv manufacturers still use the LT tires. The Goodyear’s on my camper are great tires and when they wear out the next tires will be Goodyear’s. Westlake tires ran great in the year I had the first Creek. I like the Goodyear’s but they are not cheap. Buy what you like and can afford. Everyone likes different stuff, campers, trucks, gas and diesel. When I buy new tires I’ll only have to buy three as my spare is a G614
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I mistakenly had it in my head that Sailuns were LT tires, thus I didn't mention them. My bad.

But they are also Chinese tires.

So....Westlake and Sailun appear (to me) to be the only tires with Load Range G (required for this trailer) at this size, that are ST tires. Maybe WMTIRE knows of another, I don't.
BandJCarm, I am still researching and there is a third ST with load range G:
MASTERTRACK UN-203 ALL STEEL
ST235/85R-16
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BandJCarm, I am still researching and there is a third ST with load range G:
MASTERTRACK UN-203 ALL STEEL
ST235/85R-16
I would venture a guess that is another of the Chinese low-cost tire brands.
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BandJCarm, I am still researching and there is a third ST with load range G:
MASTERTRACK UN-203 ALL STEEL
ST235/85R-16
ST235/85R16G Brand names;

Provider
Geostar
Tow-Master
Velocity
Loadmax
Suretrac
Duracode
Kenda
Gladiator
Goodride
Marvemax
Advanta
Transeagle

There are more, in sizes LT235/85R16G and ST235/80R16G.

While you're here this in an interesting read.

http://www.moderntiredealer.com/arti...rying-capacity
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