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Old 01-28-2019, 01:50 PM   #1
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Angry FR3 30DS Stability Problem

In order to combat stability problems on my new 2019 FR3 30DS, I have installed a "Safe-T-Plus" steering stabilizer on the front axle and a Roadmaster sway bar on the near axle. But I still have a coach that rolls from side to side at times during driving. It has become very frustrating and sometimes dangerous.
I hate to throw more money at this problem but, what can I do to combat this "roll" tendency? Any suggestions would be appreciated.
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Old 01-28-2019, 02:23 PM   #2
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Is this a phenomenon that you've noticed with other coaches, or is it really an issue with this particular one?
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Old 01-28-2019, 02:36 PM   #3
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Is this a phenomenon that you've noticed with other coaches, or is it really an issue with this particular one?
It is a issue with this model because of the Ford F53 18,000 lb chassis. I have had some folks tell me to put air bags and/or Sumo springs on the front and rear axles. But that will take more $$$ that I want to put into an inexpensive coach.
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Old 01-28-2019, 03:19 PM   #4
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Only mod I’ve ever done was the CHF.

I drove school buses for miles and miles and years and years.
If there was a CHF for school buses, I would’ve done it.

Not that it’s promoting safety, but my Georgetown can be driven single handed on the highway, and is stable enough in all but the strongest crosswinds.

It’ll never match the drive of an Entegra.
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I used to drive school buses as well, but I've never really noticed any unsafe rolling. It's just how they handled.

My first thought would be to upgrade the FRONT sway bar before anything else. And maybe getting it aligned just to be sure. Things can get squirrelly if not aligned properly.
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Doing the CHF made a tremendous difference in the handling of our 2013 Encounter. There are many posts on the CHF.
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Do the CHF! It's free and it makes a huge difference.
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Do the CHF! It's free and it makes a huge difference.
Where can I get a copy of the CHF procedure?
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POPULAR MECHANICS MAY 1973:
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If too little caster exists, the car will wander and weave,
thus necessitating constant corrections in steering.
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Where can I get a copy of the CHF procedure?


Just search the internet for cheap handling fix for F53. There are dozens of articles. There is a youtube which shows the entire procedure.
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Old 01-29-2019, 11:32 AM   #11
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Just search the internet for cheap handling fix for F53. There are dozens of articles. There is a youtube which shows the entire procedure.
Thanks. will for it on the internet.
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Ford Motorhome Chassis forum.

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1st post is about CHF. Over 5400 posts, Happy Reading.
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Try adding more caster . That made my class c drive better
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Old 01-30-2019, 12:10 AM   #14
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I had the sway bars set stiffer and confirmed there were Bilsteins shocks on my 2017 FR3 prior to purchase, and it made all the difference to me. I would not have bought the rig without correcting this, as it started to give me motion sickness on the test drive. I have come to understand Ford recommends the stiffer setting, but FR sets them loose for some reason.
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Old 01-31-2019, 07:32 AM   #15
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I strongly recommend having someone check to see if your steering assist is installed correctly. We have the same model, installed same stabilizer and sway bar at purchase, and had similar problems while driving. On our Thanksgiving trip a trip it suddenly got worse. Took FR3 to shop in Florida and found dealer installed steering assist incorrectly. Trip home was the best drive we've ever had.
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One can B___ and Complain, but the only proper solution requires an expenditure of $$$$! Many posts on this subject. No professional reason, FR doesn't make this part of the standard build reducing cost and safety to all.

Aside from the 1-2 week lead time for shipping, I installed Sumo Springs in addition to the Safety T Plus steering stabilizer, Hellwig additional rear roll bar and Supersteer Traction Bar. All installed in 5 hours locally. Hard to tell which one, but all were required to make a difference. The Safety T Plus steering stabilizer made a difference in staying in lane, the Sumos on ride, the Supersteer Traction Bar reduced roll on turns and bumbs (when turning) 50-75%. Now do the CHF like some that refuse to spend the proper $ to solve a known problem, complain, or spend the required $$$$ o make the problem disappear apx 80-90% from doing nothing.

This suspension upgrade and my R&R windshield made my RV useable. If not, I would have sold it, never purchased another and left the RV community for life! It made that much of a difference.

BTW, this applies to all using the Ford F53 Chassis, not just FR3. Mine is a Georgetown.
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One can B___ and Complain, but the only proper solution requires an expenditure of $$$$! Many posts on this subject. No professional reason, FR doesn't make this part of the standard build reducing cost and safety to all.

Aside from the 1-2 week lead time for shipping, I installed Sumo Springs in addition to the Safety T Plus steering stabilizer, Hellwig additional rear roll bar and Supersteer Traction Bar. All installed in 5 hours locally. Hard to tell which one, but all were required to make a difference. The Safety T Plus steering stabilizer made a difference in staying in lane, the Sumos on ride, the Supersteer Traction Bar reduced roll on turns and bumbs (when turning) 50-75%. Now do the CHF like some that refuse to spend the proper $ to solve a known problem, complain, or spend the required $$$$ o make the problem disappear apx 80-90% from doing nothing.

This suspension upgrade and my R&R windshield made my RV useable. If not, I would have sold it, never purchased another and left the RV community for life! It made that much of a difference.

BTW, this applies to all using the Ford F53 Chassis, not just FR3. Mine is a Georgetown.
Can you explain why you replaced the windshield? Is R&R a brand? This is our first RV and I've not seen that mentioned before? TIA
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Can you explain why you replaced the windshield? Is R&R a brand? This is our first RV and I've not seen that mentioned before? TIA
Windshield R&R was copied in from another thread post - unrelated to suspension problem. The thread dealt with the lack of professionalism in the RV industry as a whole and FR specifically. No need to reiterate that now, you can search if desired.

Specifically, FR does not seal the front windshield properly. They used 1/10 (yes 10%) of the sealant required on my Class A windshield. It would rain inside my RV EVERY time it rained outside. FR provided NO assistance (yes under warranty) and it took me 6 months to solve and remedy using a 3rd party mobile WS company. I do not know, but "heard" that FR Glues the windows in now vs rubber seal and sealant.

It was the last straw that made me retain an attorney. Yes, I prevailed on that and many other issues. This is my first and last RV ever.
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In order to combat stability problems on my new 2019 FR3 30DS, I have installed a "Safe-T-Plus" steering stabilizer on the front axle and a Roadmaster sway bar on the near axle. But I still have a coach that rolls from side to side at times during driving. It has become very frustrating and sometimes dangerous.
I hate to throw more money at this problem but, what can I do to combat this "roll" tendency? Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Did the safe-t-plus improve your steering? Also, did you do it or have it done?
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Old 03-22-2019, 09:43 AM   #20
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Did the safe-t-plus improve your steering? Also, did you do it or have it done?
My safe-t-steer was installed by my dealer. I have since done the CHF on the front and will soon do it on the back. Used Helwig adjustable rods set at 12.5 inches for the front So far those fixes have made a world of difference.
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