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Old 05-08-2012, 08:27 PM   #41
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Do you all think you can turn everything on in your trailer if you have the 30 to 15 amp adapter?
Well, I suppose you could try. You will still never be able to pull more than the panel breaker's rating (15 amps or 20 amps whichever) through to the camper without tripping the shore power breaker.

I have a 1500 watt fireplace that I run as heat; a 400 watt aux heater in the bedroom; Television; Fridge on Propane and all the DC (lights and radio) running at the same time and my draw is about 18 amps AC. Well under the 20 amps max on my breaker.

Using the air conditioner (it draws 15.3 amps AC) and the fridge on Propane plus the DC stuff puts me right at 19 amps.

Of course the microwave is out without turning off the AC. Running the fridge on AC (fused at 5 amps) also puts me over with the AC running.
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Old 05-08-2012, 08:47 PM   #42
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The thing you want to remember is that you never trust an electric space heater. As a retired Firefighter I saw enough problems swith them to say that. I use space heaters too but I never trust them to be unattendant.
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Old 05-08-2012, 08:54 PM   #43
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The thing you want to remember is that you never trust an electric space heater. As a retired Firefighter I saw enough problems swith them to say that. I use space heaters too but I never trust them to be unattendant.
A big AMEN to that hkreck, NEVER LEAVE an electric heater unattended regardless of how many safeguards are in play. Crazy things happen and the results can be absolutely catastrophic!
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Old 05-08-2012, 10:23 PM   #44
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Oh yes herk I understand what you are saying about it all. I was just bothered by someone stating something that in the long term could be dangerous and cause a possible fire. I also should have quoted you and your picture on my one comment about the 20amp plug, because so many people can rewire something, like putting a 20amp plug on a 30amp device so he can plug it in and think it is ok and safe. It will be safe if the person has common sense, but don't you think it takes common sense to drive with both hands on the wheel? Yet how many people drive talking on their cell phone? Most people will say "oh it is ok I still concentrate on the road" and it is safe, until they cause an accident that kills someone.
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Old 05-08-2012, 10:26 PM   #45
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I would hope that someone with enough knowledge to change a 15A breaker for a 20A knows the wiring isn't rated for that.

The flip side to that is there are safety margins built into everything so the guy who does that doesn't fry his bacon. Literally.
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Old 05-09-2012, 12:05 AM   #46
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I noticed one day that
our cord to our elect heater got a little hot also
had it kind of wrapped up and laying over itself
once
I straightened out the cord to heater
much cooler
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Old 05-09-2012, 06:39 AM   #47
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I really do not think that RV type receptacles are a problem in any way. The problem is when the wires are NOT terminated properly on the push-on "stabs."
Bingo!! They are inherently dangerous because it's difficult to properly
connect the wires. I've had 2 trailers and both had those stupid cheap
receptacles in them. I wanted to ad a switch to my outside outlet
so we could turn awning string lights on and off from inside.
(How many times have you gone to bed and then realized you left
your awning lights on?)

When I pulled the receptacle out of the wall one of the wires literally
fell out of place on the back.
Yeah, it had been "improperly terminated" as you say but I say the design
makes it real easy to do it improperly.
This worried me so I pulled all the other receptacles out one at a time
to check connections. I found 2 others that were questionable.
Just a little wiggle by me and the wire came right off the receptacle.
I think they are dangerous.
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Here is some really good info. on "self contained devices" from Pass & Seymour. http://tinyurl.com/P-S-SCDsThey are also used in manufactured homes.

You will notice that there is a special (read "correct") tool for terminating the wires onto the receptacles. I suspect that the tool doesn't get used anywhere near as often as it should, even at the manufacturing plants. I asked an RV repair shop what they do and they said they just use screwdrivers..... P&S also makes a hand-held tool. There's no excuse for RV techs. to at least be using the handheld tool IMHO.

I maintain that there is nothing wrong or cheap about RV SCD receptacles. It's all in how they are installed. If you want to see what a cheap receptacle, look closely at the residential ones sold by any of the big box stores.

I think what is needed is a seminar somewhere! I suggest we all meet in the middle of the US somewhere. (And not the midwest which doesn't seem to be anywhere near the middle and definitely is not in the west.)
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Old 05-09-2012, 03:16 PM   #49
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I am totally on for Vegas next year.
Might even burn some DVD sets of the "Herkbrary."
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Vegas sounds good
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Old 05-09-2012, 10:23 PM   #51
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FROG camporee in Vegas. As long as we have beer.

Is this where we learn all the techiques for jamming speaker wire into outlets? I find that if I trim a bunch of the conductor strands off, it goes in easier.
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Old 05-10-2012, 08:59 AM   #52
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FROG camporee in Vegas. As long as we have beer.
Is this where we learn all the techiques for jamming speaker wire into outlets? I find that if I trim a bunch of the conductor strands off, it goes in easier.
Now THAT's funny!!
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Will probably show how you can mig weld a trailer hitch using the speaker wired outlet also off the back bumper so you can carry 6 bikes on it .
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