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05-21-2021, 06:05 AM
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Norwood Auto Italia
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Location: Montana & TX
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DEF Consumption?
Just finished a 2500 mile trip and was surprised to find that DEF "range" was about that amount. I used a 1/2 tank for about 1300 miles per the gauge and augmented the tank with a 2.5 gallon box purchase and a frustrated purchase at a truck stop.
Wonder what others are seeing? My 2014, Ford F550 6.7 PSD Born Free of a similar weight to the 28SS saw about twice the range from a 7 gallon tank vs the RAM 9 gallon capacity.
I have to find the exact stopping point for a truck stop hose to reach both the gas tank and the DEF tank. There is a point I suspect that works for both but I have yet to find it.
Then there is back and forth to the cashier and the overcharge if a second CC swipe is needed for DEF. Not sure how to avoid that without an extended stop to the amusement of the 18 wheeler stacked behind. I never used the truck fill DEF with the F550 because it used so little.
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2000 Sportsmobile E350 EB
2006 Renegade/Peterbilt K1854 and T1220
2021 Isata 5 28SS Explorer
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05-21-2021, 06:52 AM
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Senior Member
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Location: Akron, OH
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I have the TSD rv card, lets me fuel and use def in the truck lanes, plus we get a discount. So far I have not had issues filling fuel and def.
Range, I dont really gauge it but your summary seems close to what I use.
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05-21-2021, 11:23 AM
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Senior Member
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Location: Monroe, Ga
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Quote:
Originally Posted by vlamgat
Just finished a 2500 mile trip and was surprised to find that DEF "range" was about that amount. I used a 1/2 tank for about 1300 miles per the gauge and augmented the tank with a 2.5 gallon box purchase and a frustrated purchase at a truck stop.
Wonder what others are seeing? My 2014, Ford F550 6.7 PSD Born Free of a similar weight to the 28SS saw about twice the range from a 7 gallon tank vs the RAM 9 gallon capacity.
I have to find the exact stopping point for a truck stop hose to reach both the gas tank and the DEF tank. There is a point I suspect that works for both but I have yet to find it.
Then there is back and forth to the cashier and the overcharge if a second CC swipe is needed for DEF. Not sure how to avoid that without an extended stop to the amusement of the 18 wheeler stacked behind. I never used the truck fill DEF with the F550 because it used so little.
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The DEF gauge in my 2019 Isata 5 36DS is definitely not linear. Adding 5 gal of DEF brings the gauge from the “low” mark to dead on the full mark. The tank will then easily take 2+ gallons to fill completely. I now average between 300 and 350 miles per gallon of DEF, depending on how much idling / stop and go traffic. When new, it barely got 250 miles on a gallon. I don’t like to keep too much DEF in the tank as I may go 3 to 4 months without driving it. The process to remove old DEF from the tank is a pain!
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2018 Isata 5 36DS 4x4
2021 Jeep JL Rubicon
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05-21-2021, 02:42 PM
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Norwood Auto Italia
Join Date: Aug 2020
Location: Montana & TX
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Quote:
Originally Posted by I5PhilGa
The DEF gauge in my 2019 Isata 5 36DS is definitely not linear. Adding 5 gal of DEF brings the gauge from the “low” mark to dead on the full mark. The tank will then easily take 2+ gallons to fill completely. I now average between 300 and 350 miles per gallon of DEF, depending on how much idling / stop and go traffic. When new, it barely got 250 miles on a gallon. I don’t like to keep too much DEF in the tank as I may go 3 to 4 months without driving it. The process to remove old DEF from the tank is a pain!
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The owners manual for the RAM C&C is quite specific about the gauge not reading a linear capacity which they define as a "reserve" over the indicated FULL amount.
Interesting that your consumption rate has improved - I will look for that as I get past my current 5K.
I never had any issues with DEF use in the F550 despite a much slower rate of consumption that resulted in barely one 7 gallon tank usage a year for 12,000 miles. With frequent 2 day journeys of 1200+ miles, I guess I wont have an aging problem.
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2006 Renegade/Peterbilt K1854 and T1220
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05-21-2021, 02:59 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: New Vienna, Ohio
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2018 1 ton DRW Chevy pull 14k, Ohio to Colorado (Silverton) and return, 1 gal per 400 miles, using cruise majority of the time. Definitley concerning. Later found on line others getting similar consumption.
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05-22-2021, 08:46 AM
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Senior Member
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Location: Littleton, Colorado
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I get about 280 DEF MPG tracking this 5 times so far. Like hella said, I have a EFS card which allows fueling at the truck stops without going in and prepaying. Additionally, you get a discount on fuel. The discount and convenience is well worth the application process. You have to fuel first and than add DEF. I have my wife back up a little so the DEF hose will reach.
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Colorado
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05-22-2021, 09:06 AM
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Brake is on left
Join Date: Jul 2019
Location: USA
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Across all manufacturers, the dose rate for DEF is an average of 2% of the fuel consumed. Some more, some less. So for every 50 gal of diesel you can assume 1 gallon of DEF was used.
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05-22-2021, 12:17 PM
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Here is what the Cummins Website says about DEF consumption which confirms the 2% of fuel consumed guideline but it does say the loading on the chassis is a factor. Since most of us run close to the 19,500 lbs and also pull a vehicle, we probably put more load on the Cummins than say a RAM 3500 pickup.
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2022 Ford Ranger Tremor 4x4
(Previously owned a 2017 Isata 3 24FW)
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05-22-2021, 02:22 PM
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Norwood Auto Italia
Join Date: Aug 2020
Location: Montana & TX
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Quote:
Originally Posted by milkman55
Here is what the Cummins Website says about DEF consumption which confirms the 2% of fuel consumed guideline but it does say the loading on the chassis is a factor. Since most of us run close to the 19,500 lbs and also pull a vehicle, we probably put more load on the Cummins than say a RAM 3500 pickup.
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Thanks Milkman55 for that - confirms my observations which as I wrote, about 2X the Ford F550. My guess is that the Cummins is a a higher state of tune than the Ford, using higher boost and demanding more "cleaning". Road and weather conditions about the same but over 60,000 miles in the Ford I had plenty of opportunities to measure and observe.
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