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11-23-2021, 07:11 AM
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Junior Member
Join Date: Apr 2019
Posts: 24
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Ordered directly from Roadmaster on Oct 14, 2021 and it shipped on Oct 20.
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11-24-2021, 06:32 PM
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#42
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2020
Location: Phoenix
Posts: 850
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I'm having a bit of fit issue, and can't seem to get any answer from Safe-t-Plus yet (on day four). I have a 2021 Freightliner M2-106 (Force). The tie rod diameter, by linear caliper measurement, is just under 1-3/4", and the U-bolts are 3/4". I sent the info to safe t plus but the support person sent an automated email back, "on vacation until ...". None of the Safetplus Freightliner M2 models are familiar to me, so I am interpolating the 1-3/4" tie rod associated with the F-143K3 install kit. I'm wondering if anyone that's used this setup on an M2-106 with same tie rod can confirm this. I'm also figuring the 41-230 blue stabilizer, but that seems like a given.
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2021 Jeep Grand Cherokee Trailhawk
2020 Isata-5 36DS (traded in)
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11-24-2021, 06:53 PM
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#43
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Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2016
Posts: 596
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I left a voicemail first thing this morning at Safe T Plus and didn’t receive a call back at all. I guess I’ll try again after the holiday.
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11-25-2021, 02:05 PM
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#44
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Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2020
Posts: 112
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Invisibleman
I'm having a bit of fit issue, and can't seem to get any answer from Safe-t-Plus yet (on day four). I have a 2021 Freightliner M2-106 (Force). The tie rod diameter, by linear caliper measurement, is just under 1-3/4", and the U-bolts are 3/4". I sent the info to safe t plus but the support person sent an automated email back, "on vacation until ...". None of the Safetplus Freightliner M2 models are familiar to me, so I am interpolating the 1-3/4" tie rod associated with the F-143K3 install kit. I'm wondering if anyone that's used this setup on an M2-106 with same tie rod can confirm this. I'm also figuring the 41-230 blue stabilizer, but that seems like a given.
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As of 2 months ago, Safe-T-Plus does not have a stock install kit for the M2. They will send you brackets depending on your measurements. Yes, the 41-230 (Blue) is the proper model for the M2.
When calling, I found the best success at 8:00 eastern before the installers get busy in the shop.
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11-25-2021, 04:13 PM
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#45
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Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 4,223
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If you’re in the area then go to Safe-T-Plus headquarters and they’ll install the kit for free (the install, not the kit).
While they’re doing the work you can see how the stabilizer is built.
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11-29-2021, 03:34 PM
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#46
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Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Franktown, Colorado
Posts: 939
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Invisibleman
Now I am back on the fence on a steering stabilizer. At first, and I reported in this thread, my Force 37TS drove like a dream. But, since then, I drove from Sabastion FL to South Padre Island TX. A good part of the first half of the trip there was wicked buffeting cross winds. I was a lot of work keeping in the lane of travel for a good part of an entire day. Constant side to side, 4x more dramatic than basic buffeting passing am 18 wheeler which has never bothered me. It was that experience, and some mention herein of the steering wheel being jerked out of ones hands with a front tire blow out that led me to consider a steering stabilizer. My first choice Roadmaster unit is back ordered 6 months which gave me time to do more reading. I came upon a thread herein from 2018, and now I am back on the fence again on the entire subject. I've put 11,500 mi on my Force since May '21. Pretty comfortable in all conditions except that cross wind day. I believe I had slowed down to 65mph and was still wrestling with it. But that was one day out of many. So wondering it its worth it. Here's the link to the prior thread. Interesting reading.
https://www.forestriverforums.com/fo...-153033-2.html
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Yep, I remember that write up well. Stabilizers are good for giving the steering a tighter feel and reduce rut induced wander and help in the event of a front tire blowout. But they don't change the handling of the vehicle. I drove big trucks way, way back when and my DX3 drives like a dream compared to those. The M2 106 chassis from Dynamax comes with good shocks and a front sway bar. I think you can make big improvements if you check the side-to-side weight balance carefully and get your tire pressures right. My rig, whether towing the trailer or not, barely wiggles when passing or being passed by a semi. If you get a strong, constant crosswind, youre going to have to hold input into the wheel whether you have a stabilizer or not. Dont get me wrong, I'm not trying to talk anyone out of buying a stabilizer, just trying to set proper expectations on what it can do. Be careful about some of the opinions provided as they came from owners of other types of RV's that are built on lighter chassis'.
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2018 DX3 37TS
"Orange Crush"
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11-30-2021, 09:49 AM
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#47
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Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2021
Posts: 129
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RV Randy
Yep, I remember that write up well. Stabilizers are good for giving the steering a tighter feel and reduce rut induced wander and help in the event of a front tire blowout. But they don't change the handling of the vehicle. I drove big trucks way, way back when and my DX3 drives like a dream compared to those. The M2 106 chassis from Dynamax comes with good shocks and a front sway bar. I think you can make big improvements if you check the side-to-side weight balance carefully and get your tire pressures right. My rig, whether towing the trailer or not, barely wiggles when passing or being passed by a semi. If you get a strong, constant crosswind, youre going to have to hold input into the wheel whether you have a stabilizer or not. Dont get me wrong, I'm not trying to talk anyone out of buying a stabilizer, just trying to set proper expectations on what it can do. Be careful about some of the opinions provided as they came from owners of other types of RV's that are built on lighter chassis'.
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Had to chuckle about old-school trucks. I grew up in the lumber business with trucks that had no shocks, no swaybars, and no power steering. Sometimes the good old days weren't all that good
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12-17-2021, 09:52 PM
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#48
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Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2016
Posts: 596
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I had a Safe-T-Plus installed today at their shop in Tallapoosa, Ga. After the install we drove about 2.5 hours in heavy traffic towing a 24’ enclosed trailer weighing about 11,000 pounds. I think my DX3 has always handled and drove pretty nice but the Safe-T-Plus definitely made a nice improvement.
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12-17-2021, 10:29 PM
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#49
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Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Chesapeake, Virginia
Posts: 242
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I installed a safety plus stabilizer to assist in the case of a front blow out. If installed correctly and adjusted correctly it does change the drivability some. It has been some years about 4 but I remember at slow speed it seemed slightly more effort on the steering but not a lot. Makes a significant difference at speed on the highway and helps keeping the steering wheel centered. But lucky for me I have never had a front blowout to find out how much it helps with that aspect.
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2017 Jeep Grand Cherokee toad
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12-18-2021, 12:13 AM
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#50
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Member
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Arlington, Texas
Posts: 72
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Steering stabilizer
I had a 1996 Fleetwood Eagle 40VF prior to my 2015 Dynamax Force 37BH. Have had Safe-T-Plus stabilizer on both. Had a front right tire blow in Canada…not a big deal; complete control of the coach. 65,000 miles on my Force and it drives, in all but the most vicious crosswinds, with two fingers. Even then, just a firm hand on the wheel and we press on. Tow either a 4600lb boat/motor/trailer or 4500lb
Jeep Grand Cherokee. The coach tracks straight and thus The tail does not wag the dog!
Great equipment! Worthy of every nickel it costs.
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02-06-2022, 09:09 PM
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#51
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2020
Location: Phoenix
Posts: 850
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Opinion of my $700 Safe-T-Plus steering stabilizer. I can't tell any difference. Except in heavy crosswind its harder to keep the necessary correction since you are now also fighting the stabilizer which is trying keep the steering centered. Don't notice any difference passing 18 wheelers. Can't speak for a blowout, but presumable that's when it will earn its investment cost. Then again my '21 Force was exceptionably stable to begin with. I'll track this up to an impulse buy.
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2021 Jeep Grand Cherokee Trailhawk
2020 Isata-5 36DS (traded in)
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02-07-2022, 07:49 PM
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#52
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Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Akron, OH
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Well that is odd, I noticed a big difference on our 2015 Force and our 2018 HD. I wonder if they make them different now.
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Had...2018 Force HD, 2016 Force, 2014 Thor 33sw
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02-07-2022, 10:20 PM
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#53
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2020
Location: Phoenix
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I've chalked it up to the fact my '21 Force was so stable to begin with. I've got 13k miles on it and expected things to loosen up by around 10k, which didn't seem to happen.
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2021 Jeep Grand Cherokee Trailhawk
2020 Isata-5 36DS (traded in)
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02-10-2022, 07:10 PM
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#54
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Senior Member
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Top of a hill (in Iowa) surrounded by corn.
Posts: 681
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The little bit of driving I've done with our XL, I don't feel the need for a stabilizer either. In the Jeep world, there's this thing called death wobble, a lot of people attribute the fix by sticking on a stabilizer. Real world, it's a bandaid for the real underlying problem. On the older Jeeps, this usually ends up being a trackbar bushing. After the weather warms up (it's finally starting to), I'll keep it in mind after we start driving it more.
Jim
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2022 Aluma 8220H Tilt flatbed to carry:
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02-10-2022, 09:24 PM
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#55
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2020
Location: Phoenix
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I have had many jeeps. I currently have two 1995 XJs. One is strictly off road. The other was my mothers since new with 88k original miles. That got the death wobble, and it was, after I replaced almost everything else, including the steering stabilizer, the trackbar bushings.
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2021 Jeep Grand Cherokee Trailhawk
2020 Isata-5 36DS (traded in)
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