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Old 09-30-2020, 04:37 PM   #1
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When are these new Europa floor plans coming out?

I keep looking at the Renegade Valencia 35MB. Hoping the "longer" Europa will complete with it. I think I'd rather have the M2 106b than the S2RV with the same engine. I'm also concerned about the ride and handling. I guess it will depend on the wheelbase of these new models.

Anybody know anything about the release of the floorplans?
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Old 10-01-2020, 04:02 PM   #2
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Im in the same boat. I sure hope the 8.9L is an option, but I would still rather the M2 chassis, mostly for the rear locking differential.
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Old 10-01-2020, 05:52 PM   #3
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Im in the same boat. I sure hope the 8.9L is an option, but I would still rather the M2 chassis, mostly for the rear locking differential.
I wouldn't think they would offer the L9 since the goal is probably to get to a lower price point. But you can hope!
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Old 10-03-2020, 12:10 AM   #4
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Pretty sure the first version will be M2 w/6.7


future roll out possibly with the L9
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Old 10-05-2020, 09:15 AM   #5
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The Europa should be available in the first quarter of 2021. Proto has been scheduled.

We also, did not want the S2RV, so it will be an M2 with the 6.7. However, as mentioned before, we know people want short with bigger engine so we will extend those floor plans into the Force at the very least, possibly DX3. We'll see what we get there.

The MAJOR benefit to the M2, is that we are using the "raised cab" so unlike the S2RV you can actually swivel the seats and get more living space. Cab to coach will be same level instead of a big drop down.

We also will build anything longer than 34-35' on that chassis. Once it gets too heavy...it gets underwhelming in performance and that's just not our style
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Old 10-05-2020, 09:39 AM   #6
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The Europa should be available in the first quarter of 2021. Proto has been scheduled.

We also, did not want the S2RV, so it will be an M2 with the 6.7. However, as mentioned before, we know people want short with bigger engine so we will extend those floor plans into the Force at the very least, possibly DX3. We'll see what we get there.

The MAJOR benefit to the M2, is that we are using the "raised cab" so unlike the S2RV you can actually swivel the seats and get more living space. Cab to coach will be same level instead of a big drop down.

We also will build anything longer than 34-35' on that chassis. Once it gets too heavy...it gets underwhelming in performance and that's just not our style
what will the wheelbase be?
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what will the wheelbase be?
I believe it is 245".
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SUREeee ... would like to see the floorplans of this thing ... SUREeee would!
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Old 10-05-2020, 11:08 AM   #9
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SUREeee ... would like to see the floorplans of this thing ... SUREeee would!
As soon as we are ready to release, we will post them in their own thread on this forum.
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Old 10-06-2020, 10:28 AM   #10
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The Europa should be available in the first quarter of 2021. Proto has been scheduled.

We also, did not want the S2RV, so it will be an M2 with the 6.7. However, as mentioned before, we know people want short with bigger engine so we will extend those floor plans into the Force at the very least, possibly DX3. We'll see what we get there.

The MAJOR benefit to the M2, is that we are using the "raised cab" so unlike the S2RV you can actually swivel the seats and get more living space. Cab to coach will be same level instead of a big drop down.

We also will build anything longer than 34-35' on that chassis. Once it gets too heavy...it gets underwhelming in performance and that's just not our style
Will it have a locking rear differential? Also, will it have the safety package with adaptive cruise, lane departure, blind spot monitoring, etc?
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Old 10-06-2020, 10:30 AM   #11
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Will it have a locking rear differential? Also, will it have the safety package with adaptive cruise, lane departure, blind spot monitoring, etc?
We'll be releasing more info soon...but those items are already available on the XL. (well, not blind spot, that is not available on the Freightliner from factory)
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Old 10-24-2020, 05:58 PM   #12
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The Europa should be available in the first quarter of 2021. Proto has been scheduled.

The MAJOR benefit to the M2, is that we are using the "raised cab" so unlike the S2RV you can actually swivel the seats and get more living space. Cab to coach will be same level instead of a big drop down.

Brian - what does "MAJOR benefit" mean exactly? The seats in the S2RV swivel into the living space. There is no big drop down, at least on the Renegade Valencia.
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The Dynamax' s are built with very little step down transition from the house to the cab seats and cockpit area. So that being said the advantage is that the passengers in the rear of the coach sitting in the dinette can see out the windshield while traveling.
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Old 10-25-2020, 04:40 PM   #14
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The Dynamax' s are built with very little step down transition from the house to the cab seats and cockpit area. So that being said the advantage is that the passengers in the rear of the coach sitting in the dinette can see out the windshield while traveling.
Passengers in the dinette looking out the windshield while traveling? Lol... What a feature! C'mon man.
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Passengers in the dinette looking out the windshield while traveling? Lol... What a feature! C'mon man.
Some people that get car sick, find it helps to be able to see out the front windshield. So while this may not be a feature for you, it is for others.

Renegade may build theirs differently...pictures here are of a Jayco cab S2RV and Force HD on the M2-106. Seats sit much higher on the Force, so when they swivel it is like a normal chair.
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That is one of our favorite features of the Force. We like to be able to see out of the windshield when we are driving. We had a Thor Super C where the cab was 10-12 lower than the coach floor, you couldnt see anything and it was difficult going from the cab into the coach.
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Old 11-12-2020, 01:30 AM   #17
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crickets here too?
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Not sure why the need to have the same conversation in multiple places... It's not going to get you noticed any faster

Regardless is the debut is delayed for fiberglass retooling. Floorplans are not being released ahead so as not to give all the answers to the competition before Dynamax even has a chance to release.
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Old 11-18-2020, 03:29 PM   #19
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Since it is now plastered on a banner for RV business, I guess there is no holding it back.

Just a couple of clarifications/comparisons.

Isata 5 34DS Base MSRP $213,638
Europa 31SS Base MSRP is looking like $263,348
Force 34KDHD Base MSRP $292,433

The length was a guess at the time, it looks like it will actually be 33'-5"

Almost 100% new interior design
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Old 11-18-2020, 03:33 PM   #20
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Very cool and well worth the wait. I think this is going to be a top seller.

Thanks for sharing.
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