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Old 07-04-2018, 02:45 PM   #1
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Who Sells Non Biodiesel?

I would like to avoid putting biodiesel in my Sprinter if I can find it.

Is there an app or website that one can consult while traveling to find out who is selling non bio diesel?
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Old 07-04-2018, 04:35 PM   #2
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Haven't seen an app but someone else on the forum may know. I always avoid pilot, flying J, Murphy oil and racetrack. They all sell biodiesel . I try to stick to Exxon,shell,Bp. Some times the pumps are unlabeled but if we are remote then we take what we can get and still change the oil yearly or 10000 miles.
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We simply avoid truck stops.

This saves 10-15 c per gallon and much of the bio gunk hassles.

They are "supposed" to label any pump that delivers a high percentage of bio, bit I am not certain it is always followed.

The ethanol & farmers have a strong lobby so this problem will exist forever.
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That's a very rare commodity these days, I believe most stated have regulated so much MUST be in it and they ALL have it.
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That's a very rare commodity these days, I believe most stated have regulated so much MUST be in it and they ALL have it.
I'm afraid you may be right, but I'd rather avoid bio diesel or ethanol gas. We had until recently a non ethanol pump near by, but it's gone now. When I was towing a boat, we still had some options, but now it looks like the corn and soy bean growers have won...
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We simply avoid truck stops.

This saves 10-15 c per gallon and much of the bio gunk hassles.

They are "supposed" to label any pump that delivers a high percentage of bio, bit I am not certain it is always followed.

The ethanol & farmers have a strong lobby so this problem will exist forever.
Biogunk hassles? Let's see.... my previous commercial truck did 968,000 miles, living exclusively on bio blends from B2 thru B20. Original injectors, pumps, etc when I sold it. My present commercial truck now has 856,000 miles on it, also using bio blends primarily B5 - B20. Still has original injectors, fuel pump, etc. Both trucks getting oil changes 50% longer than the OEM recommendation. These trucks operate primarily in the upper Midwest, so even during the blistering cold of MN, WI, SD, ND, etc. Sure, a couple more frequent fuel changes occasionally in the winter months. Takes me, maybe, about 5 minutes to change one out.

But considering that bio increases the cetane rating of diesel a notch or two, provides tons more lubricity to the fuel system than anything off the shelf, and does it so much cheaper, I guess I will keep using it.
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Old 07-05-2018, 01:00 PM   #7
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Bio diesel is good for the engine... it as great Lubrication properties.. Like the previous poster, it adds miles to your engine.. I used it in my previous Ford diesel for 15 years, no problems..
As for using ethanol, don't use it your small engines or anything with a carburetor.
It really messes up the carbs..
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Bio diesel

I travel north/south and my sprinter looses mpg when fueled from Indiana north through Canada. Minnesota has the worst with 20% bio mandated by state law.(thread in 2400W MBS) UGgg I have letters from state and Fed agencies, say bio is harmless and Mercedes can not act against you for using it. ???? All I can do is fuel and go and hope for the best.
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I once manufactured my own biodiesel, and I thought it was awesome. There are just a few things people need to know. 1. It's a natural cleaning agent. Diesel fuel leaves residue in fuel tanks and lines. Biodiesel will clean out all that stuff. That's great for every thing that starts out clean, but if you have a lot of build up, you'll probably be plugging some filters. 2. It does have a higher gel point. Depending on what it's made from pure biodiesel can start to gel at 35-40 degrees. B5-B20 I'm sure still has a slightly higher gel point than regular diesel, but I doubt by much. 3. Sometimes it's all about storage. One thing I like about trucks stops and high volume stations is they are constantly getting fresh fuel. Diesel isn't quite as sensitive as gas with this, but any fuel that sits for extended periods is more prone to condensation and sediment build up. I've never found anything to fear using biodiesel.
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Some of us ponder why the manufacturers would say not to use bio at higher levels. I, for one, start thinking there might be a sound reason -- founded in what they know about the way their product is engineered.

And so while I don't discount reports from the commercial trucking world, I also know that the really big trucks operate in a different engineering universe than the light drive trains many of us have.

And so as a guy who lives in the Midwest and owns a 2009 Duramax that GM says should not run more than B5, I am truly conflicted when I am forced by circumstance to fill up at a place with a pump label that says, "Contains bio diesel in percentages that may range up to 20 percent."

Gotta do it, but decidedly unhappy when I do.

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Old 07-05-2018, 01:38 PM   #11
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Avoiding bio-deisel

I go to Shell whenever possible. If you have a shell card it's .05 off and is usually cheaper than truck stops even with Good Sam discounts. I'll do Exxon in a pinch and the truck stops only in a real emergency. Unfortunately, the factory farmers have won.
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All above is very true...good for it, etc...but for one thing and that one thing is what I worry about the most.

Fuel dilution.

That's why MB says if you have to burn it check you oil more often. Not because you are using more...because you are making more. Due to the combustion process of these engines unburned fuel (the bio part) goes past the pistons into the crankcase. Bio has a higher flashpoint and is not completely burned.

Which leads to more frequent oil changes. Expensive unless you do it yourself or take it to a non MB dealer.

I have a very low mileage Sprinter (2400) but it has been sitting for a year or so. I took to MB for the first service to establish a service base in their computer.

Oil/filter change and fuel filter $644.00 Nothing else besides putting in a liter of DEF and checking the tires.

I asked when to do it again and they said 2 years or 20,000 miles. I guess that I had better cut that in half to be safe.
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Biogunk hassles? Let's see.... my previous commercial truck did 968,000 miles, living exclusively on bio blends from B2 thru B20. Original injectors, pumps, etc when I sold it. My present commercial truck now has 856,000 miles on it, also using bio blends primarily B5 - B20. Still has original injectors, fuel pump, etc. Both trucks getting oil changes 50% longer than the OEM recommendation. These trucks operate primarily in the upper Midwest, so even during the blistering cold of MN, WI, SD, ND, etc. Sure, a couple more frequent fuel changes occasionally in the winter months. Takes me, maybe, about 5 minutes to change one out.

But considering that bio increases the cetane rating of diesel a notch or two, provides tons more lubricity to the fuel system than anything off the shelf, and does it so much cheaper, I guess I will keep using it.
Thanks for your response.
I use bio in my Sprinter based camper. Mercedes Benz makes lawyer like statements about potential damage and warranty issues but, again, they will use anything to reduce their exposure.
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Mercedes Benz makes lawyer like statements about potential damage and warranty issues but, again, they will use anything to reduce their exposure.
Seems to me a class action may eventually happen in case of premature failures if they don't do something on their end.
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I generally try to avoid biodiesel for my Sprinter, based on what MB says in the owners manual - be it true or false. Last thing I need is some big p....ing contest going on about what was or was not used. As to other posters commenting about using bio in anything with wheels, my F350 states nearly not to use anything higher than B5. So - who do you believe and what do you do - out of diesel - put in whats there. Have a choice - I go for plain old ULSD which I generally have had no issues finding in travels to MT, CO, Ut, Id (lot of bio there) and Wy. Here is Oregon, most all Shell stations are now selling B20 diesel.
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The forum must be littered with bots or paid bloggers. Anyone attempting to instill fear of biodiesel within consuming public is paid. Don't let their posts sway your thinking. I do not own a diesel, but have read when the diesel fuel went to low sulfur or what they call clean diesel the common cure for old diesel engines that needed added protection was vegetable oil. It was just a partial cup per tankful. Also, being an owner of machine shop and knowing the extreme high pressure lubricants are the best of the best. The entire industry is now utilizing vegetable oils. These very efficient lubricant are basically biodiesel. So, your high pressure diesel engine actually is protected by biodiesel.

The anti ethanol comment is just attempting to demagogue a race fuel. Think about the expense of these engines and what fuel do they run? Yes, their post likewise are just attempting a smear a competitor and boost corp. influence within our political matters. This is what they refer to is crony capitalism. The petrol industry is in the throws of doing what they do best. Shorten supply and hammer consumers who have no other choice at the pump. They hate choice and competition. Ethanol and biodiesel is a competing fuel. Need I say more?
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Biogunk hassles? Let's see.... my previous commercial truck did 968,000 miles, living exclusively on bio blends from B2 thru B20. Original injectors, pumps, etc when I sold it. My present commercial truck now has 856,000 miles on it, also using bio blends primarily B5 - B20. Still has original injectors, fuel pump, etc. Both trucks getting oil changes 50% longer than the OEM recommendation. These trucks operate primarily in the upper Midwest, so even during the blistering cold of MN, WI, SD, ND, etc. Sure, a couple more frequent fuel changes occasionally in the winter months. Takes me, maybe, about 5 minutes to change one out.

But considering that bio increases the cetane rating of diesel a notch or two, provides tons more lubricity to the fuel system than anything off the shelf, and does it so much cheaper, I guess I will keep using it.
SPRINTERS choke on it and quit running. Look it up, before you post what you know nothing of. That why I have a Ford Transit.
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Bio diesel is good for the engine... it as great Lubrication properties.. Like the previous poster, it adds miles to your engine.. I used it in my previous Ford diesel for 15 years, no problems..
As for using ethanol, don't use it your small engines or anything with a carburetor.
It really messes up the carbs..
SPRINTERS choke on it and quit running. Look it up, before you post what you know nothing of. That why I have a Ford Transit
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The forum must be littered with bots or paid bloggers. Anyone attempting to instill fear of biodiesel within consuming public is paid. Don't let their posts sway your thinking. I do not own a diesel, but have read when the diesel fuel went to low sulfur or what they call clean diesel the common cure for old diesel engines that needed added protection was vegetable oil. It was just a partial cup per tankful. Also, being an owner of machine shop and knowing the extreme high pressure lubricants are the best of the best. The entire industry is now utilizing vegetable oils. These very efficient lubricant are basically biodiesel. So, your high pressure diesel engine actually is protected by biodiesel.

The anti ethanol comment is just attempting to demagogue a race fuel. Think about the expense of these engines and what fuel do they run? Yes, their post likewise are just attempting a smear a competitor and boost corp. influence within our political matters. This is what they refer to is crony capitalism. The petrol industry is in the throws of doing what they do best. Shorten supply and hammer consumers who have no other choice at the pump. They hate choice and competition. Ethanol and biodiesel is a competing fuel. Need I say more?
You heard it on the internet and so it must be true. There is so much inaccuracy here it is not worth commenting on.

SPRINTERS choke on it and quit running. Look it up, before you post what you know nothing of. That why I have a Ford Transit

Go on the sprinter forums or other MB based groups and read the legion of real problems they are having. Mercedes is trying to comply with our emission rules and is struggling with that and the additional challenge of biofuels.
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I'll stick with my first comment.

So, your burning non-approved fuel? The German Engineers have an engine that isn't compatible with U.S. fuel supply? Very odd. So, you would also be saying stay away from your RV.
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