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Old 04-08-2024, 09:48 PM   #1
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TX member - Looking at Riverstone 443MC for retirement

Looking at Riverstone 442MC for retirement. Plan to move up from 20-yo TT and 24-yo truck (Will just be too much for the 'ol 7.3. Keeping it though)

Will have many questions that I hope the Riverstone crew can help inform me.

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Are you planning to tow that Riverstone or will you put it on a permanent site?
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We have had our River Stone since July 2016, has it been issue free? NO but still probably the best unit we have ever owned and plan to keep this one up to avoid buying another one. We had a few small issues early but with most things there are parts that break or wear out, had 2 hydraulic rams replaced in the bedroom. Make sure you buy from a good dealer, I suggest Bill's Happy Camper in Mill Hall Pa, well worth the trip. Good luck on your choice and feel free to ask any questions.
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Looking at Riverstone 442MC for retirement. Plan to move up from 20-yo TT and 24-yo truck (Will just be too much for the 'ol 7.3. Keeping it though)

Will have many questions that I hope the Riverstone crew can help inform me.

Not new to RVing, just the new equipment.

Welcome to the forum. Your questions about a Riverstone should be posted under the sub forum fifth wheel travel trailers and look for Rivertone. Welcome mat is for introducing your self. Later RJD
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It will be behind a F350-DRW most likely. Will find a good spot and stay awhile during spring and fall, then back to TX when school is out and the weather is poor.



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It will be behind a F350-DRW most likely. Will find a good spot and stay awhile during spring and fall, then back to TX when school is out and the weather is poor.
If you are looking at a Ford, I would also look at the F450. It has a wide track front end that turns sharper than the F350. My information may be dated here, I am not a Ford person per se.
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YEa, the 450 can tow more, but haul less than the F350 and is more in insure. Suspension is more robust, but is de-tuned some (at least in the past).. Thx for the info though!!



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If you are looking at a Ford, I would also look at the F450. It has a wide track front end that turns sharper than the F350. My information may be dated here, I am not a Ford person per se.
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If you are looking at a Ford, I would also look at the F450. It has a wide track front end that turns sharper than the F350. My information may be dated here, I am not a Ford person per se.
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Riverstones are heavy. The 442mc will weigh around 21k. We have seen many of them in our travels. Most are being pulled by heavy duty haulers (think semi tractor). We have seen some of the smaller ones being pulled by F450/550.
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Riverstones are heavy. The 442mc will weigh around 21k. We have seen many of them in our travels. Most are being pulled by heavy duty haulers (think semi tractor). We have seen some of the smaller ones being pulled by F450/550.
Do your homework before buying your tow vehicle.
Yep, mine is just a hair under 21k ready to camp. My 3500DRW pulls it well, but there are times I wish the steering was a little quicker lol.
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Yep, mine is just a hair under 21k ready to camp. My 3500DRW pulls it well, but there are times I wish the steering was a little quicker lol.
Funny thing is that if you really dig into the specs that the F350 has more hauling capacity than the F450. They have the same GVWR and the F450 itself weighs about 400lbs more. So that takes from the GVWR. The F450 is rated to pull more though. Even with the MC loaded at capacity it fits well in the F350 capacities with room to spare. It is very rare we have had to run with full tanks any distance in the past, and we are not heavy packers.

BUT I do agree if I can get the F450 it would be nice to have the larger axels and brakes, cannot deny that!!
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Funny thing is that if you really dig into the specs that the F350 has more hauling capacity than the F450. They have the same GVWR and the F450 itself weighs about 400lbs more. So that takes from the GVWR. The F450 is rated to pull more though. Even with the MC loaded at capacity it fits well in the F350 capacities with room to spare. It is very rare we have had to run with full tanks any distance in the past, and we are not heavy packers.

BUT I do agree if I can get the F450 it would be nice to have the larger axels and brakes, cannot deny that!!
If you believe the F350 can haul more and safer than the F450, then stick with the F350 I guess. But look at the axle ratings on each and compare them. Then decide if you still believe the F350 > F450.
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If you believe the F350 can haul more and safer than the F450, then stick with the F350 I guess. But look at the axle ratings on each and compare them. Then decide if you still believe the F350 > F450.
Right from the Ford sheets (yes i agree it is crazy)
https://www.ford.com/trucks/super-duty/models/f450-xlt/

If I read the sheets wrong, please educate me!!

This is 4x4, CC, LB, HO diesel, DRW

They have the same GVWR of 14,000lbs - and the F450 is heavier...

Curb weights lbs
F350 7868
F450 8627
(now the non-HO diesel F350 weight is 8133, so I wonder about the 7868 number, looking at the yellow stickers on HO trucks the 8133 seem realistic)

Axle ratings
Rear GAWR is the same (9900 lbs) the 4x2 is 400lbs HIGHER.... go figure (from the FORD sheet and the white stickers on the door jamb)

Payload (this is 4x4, CC, LB, HO diesel, DRW))
F350 5824
F450 5320
(add options and these number go down - Platinum trim takes about 900lbs away) ( I have yellow door stickers showing it as I am researching)

NOW.. The F450 is rated to tow more weight (just has to be able to carry the pin weight with less rated capacity)
F350 31,800
F450 33,000

From the door stickers the front and rear axels have basically the same GAVR within 10lbs.

SOOO.. By the numbers the F350 can haul more, and the F450 can tow more.

NOW we all know that the F450 have more stout running gear and larger brakes, so I dont think anyone can argue is isnt a superior puller... BUT FORD numbers are what count if you get weighed. Ford numbers seem nuts but they are what they are, and when someone pulls out a scale if you have an accident these are what counts.

YEA I am looking at a F450, but I wont pass a screaming deal on a F350 either, either will have extra tow and payload capacity with the trailer up to max GVWR loaded.

Again, if I am reading these wrong, please educate me.
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Right from the Ford sheets (yes i agree it is crazy)
https://www.ford.com/trucks/super-duty/models/f450-xlt/

If I read the sheets wrong, please educate me!!

This is 4x4, CC, LB, HO diesel, DRW

They have the same GVWR of 14,000lbs - and the F450 is heavier...

Curb weights lbs
F350 7868
F450 8627
(now the non-HO diesel F350 weight is 8133, so I wonder about the 7868 number, looking at the yellow stickers on HO trucks the 8133 seem realistic)

Axle ratings
Rear GAWR is the same (9900 lbs) the 4x2 is 400lbs HIGHER.... go figure (from the FORD sheet and the white stickers on the door jamb)

Payload (this is 4x4, CC, LB, HO diesel, DRW))
F350 5824
F450 5320
(add options and these number go down - Platinum trim takes about 900lbs away) ( I have yellow door stickers showing it as I am researching)

NOW.. The F450 is rated to tow more weight (just has to be able to carry the pin weight with less rated capacity)
F350 31,800
F450 33,000

From the door stickers the front and rear axels have basically the same GAVR within 10lbs.

SOOO.. By the numbers the F350 can haul more, and the F450 can tow more.

NOW we all know that the F450 have more stout running gear and larger brakes, so I dont think anyone can argue is isnt a superior puller... BUT FORD numbers are what count if you get weighed. Ford numbers seem nuts but they are what they are, and when someone pulls out a scale if you have an accident these are what counts.

YEA I am looking at a F450, but I wont pass a screaming deal on a F350 either, either will have extra tow and payload capacity with the trailer up to max GVWR loaded.

Again, if I am reading these wrong, please educate me.
Not at what Ford publishes. Ford reportedly derates the truck to fit into the 14k gvwr Class 3. Look up the axles themselves and see what they are rated at, check the brakes, check the suspension, and if you move to the C&C models, check the frames. It is silly to think a F350 will handle a heavy load better than an F450 would. It just doesn't pass the sniff test. But don't do anything you are not comfortable with and don't take a random internet forum user's word on things. Stick with what you are comfortable with. DOT doesn't use the truck rated GVWR, payload, or anything more than tires/wheels and axles primarily for weight ratings, and of course what the regulations are on limits on the roads you are on. And all of that really only matters for commercial vehicles. DOT doesn't regulate private vehicles.
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Not at what Ford publishes. Ford reportedly derates the truck to fit into the 14k gvwr Class 3. Look up the axles themselves and see what they are rated at, check the brakes, check the suspension, and if you move to the C&C models, check the frames. It is silly to think a F350 will handle a heavy load better than an F450 would. It just doesn't pass the sniff test. But don't do anything you are not comfortable with and don't take a random internet forum user's word on things. Stick with what you are comfortable with. DOT doesn't use the truck rated GVWR, payload, or anything more than tires/wheels and axles primarily for weight ratings, and of course what the regulations are on limits on the roads you are on. And all of that really only matters for commercial vehicles. DOT doesn't regulate private vehicles.
Awesome!!

If you have links to the info i would love to see it.. Can't seem to come up with the correct search words.

Thanks for the info.. I was surprised to see it rated at 14000 myself.
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You can probably just search various forums for f450 fawr and rawr and you will find many discussions like the one we have had where folks get wrapped around the axle (intended lol) about F350 vs F450 based on paper. There have also been a few discussions like that on this forum since I have been here, so you can probably start here.
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So glade all you folks discuss this issue here as Its a welcome mat. later RJD
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Moved thread from the Welcome Mat section to the Riverstone sub-forum since the OP's post is mainly about a Riverstone model and not an introduction post.
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If you have any specific questions about the 442MC, let me know. Owned mine for 1 year now and have been living in it full time (temporarily) for about 3 weeks. There are a few things that I've found to be just silly with the design and I've started to fix a few of the other silly design features.
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