|
|
07-24-2019, 06:53 PM
|
#1
|
Junior Member
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 27
|
Electrical blowing house ground fault
We plug in our No Bo 19.5 to our house 20 amp to get refrigerator cooled for the next trip. Tonight the ground fault is blowing every time we plug in the No Bo. This has not happened before.
Nothing is on in the camper, we have not turned the refrig on yet.
We checked our house circuit breaker and reset each. No difference
We used a different extension cord from camper to house. No difference
What else could be causing this?
|
|
|
07-24-2019, 07:03 PM
|
#2
|
Coach
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Western PA
Posts: 667
|
Have you used this outlet before to power your No bo? Gfi outlets don't always get along with campers.
__________________
Cut it 3 times and it's still too short...
2017 Sandpiper 381RBOK
2006 Ram 3500 Cummins Dually
|
|
|
07-24-2019, 07:10 PM
|
#3
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Payson, AZ
Posts: 3,871
|
either move the cord to a non GFCI protected receptacle in the house
or
turn off the gfci circuit breaker in the trailer
or
run the extension cord directly from the house to the refrigerator
__________________
2015 cardinal model 3825fl
2015 dodge ram 3500 dually
|
|
|
07-24-2019, 07:28 PM
|
#4
|
Junior Member
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 27
|
electrical problem
Valley duo - yes, this is the same outlet. We tried other exterior outlets with same result.
Chickdoe - We moved cord to non gfci protected and electricity stays on but were advised to not leave it this way over night.
If it is the gfci circuit breaker do we just buy a new one to replace it -- do these things go bad often?
Thanks, I really appreciate your help
|
|
|
07-24-2019, 07:35 PM
|
#5
|
Junior Member
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 27
|
electrical problem
Another perspective -- just for future reference
Just spoke with another person who has experienced this with his camper. A tiny speck of moisture in the 30 Amp receptacle on the camper can cause this to happen.
On the 19.5, the outside shower is directly above the electrical input, the spout for water from the roof drips directly down to it, and I think a water input is directly above it.
Right now we are taking it out of the camper, drying all parts then will put back together and caulk it all around. Hope this works and solves the problem
|
|
|
07-24-2019, 07:35 PM
|
#6
|
Site Team
Join Date: Oct 2014
Posts: 15,292
|
The GFCI breaker is not bad. The issue is the way they work. Some of the inexpensive GFCI breakers will appear to a good one in the same circuit as a fault. Try turning off the breaker in the distribution panel that controls the GFCI protected outlets ( bathroom etc) in the RV. This should be a different circuit than the fridge is on. If you can not do this. There is nothing wrong with being plugged into a non gfci outlet in the house. The large breaker in the campground pedestal is not GFCI protected.
__________________
2015 Freedom Express 248RBS
TV 2015 Silverado HD2500 Duramax
TST Tire Monitors
Honda 2000I + Companion
2 100W solar panels
|
|
|
07-24-2019, 07:37 PM
|
#7
|
Junior Member
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 27
|
Flybob, will take this to the guys by the camper to check it out.
Thanks
|
|
|
07-24-2019, 07:47 PM
|
#8
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Payson, AZ
Posts: 3,871
|
i gotta ask! it works when you plug into a non-gfci receptacle but you were advised not to leave it this way. whose advice and based on what?
__________________
2015 cardinal model 3825fl
2015 dodge ram 3500 dually
|
|
|
07-24-2019, 07:51 PM
|
#9
|
Junior Member
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 27
|
Chickdoe, I asked a friend who is a mechanical engineer. He does not claim to be an expert but suggests we not leave it plugged in overnight as a precaution. Like maybe a fire could start while we're asleep. I didn't ask a lot of questions of him
|
|
|
07-24-2019, 07:56 PM
|
#10
|
Site Team
Join Date: Oct 2014
Posts: 15,292
|
GFCIs are designed to prevent electrical shocks to humans. Circuit breakers are designed to protect wiring against shorts and overloads. You are still going through the circuit breaker in you home panel. GFCIs do not prevent fires.
__________________
2015 Freedom Express 248RBS
TV 2015 Silverado HD2500 Duramax
TST Tire Monitors
Honda 2000I + Companion
2 100W solar panels
|
|
|
07-24-2019, 08:06 PM
|
#11
|
Site Team
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Goodyear, Arizona
Posts: 33,790
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by SueRoeske
Chickdoe, I asked a friend who is a mechanical engineer. He does not claim to be an expert but suggests we not leave it plugged in overnight as a precaution. Like maybe a fire could start while we're asleep. I didn't ask a lot of questions of him
|
You need to ask RV questions from RVers, not a mechanical engineer.
__________________
Dan-Retired California Firefighter/EMT
Shawn-Musician/Entrepreneur/Wine Expert
and Zoe the Wonder Dog(R.I.P.)
2016 PrimeTime TracerAIR 255, pushing a 2014 Ford F150 SCREW XTR 4x4 3.5 Ecoboost w/Max Tow Package
4pt Equal-i-zer WDH and 1828lbs of payload capacity
|
|
|
07-24-2019, 08:37 PM
|
#12
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Payson, AZ
Posts: 3,871
|
you're trying to cool down the refrigerator.
the only risk of fire that i could see would be if the extension cord was under gauge.
then again, you will get a propane burner fire if you have an rv refrigerator and shut down the shore power. it will switch to propane and fire up the burner.
__________________
2015 cardinal model 3825fl
2015 dodge ram 3500 dually
|
|
|
07-24-2019, 08:49 PM
|
#13
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Virginia
Posts: 9,890
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by SueRoeske
Chickdoe, I asked a friend who is a mechanical engineer. He does not claim to be an expert but suggests we not leave it plugged in overnight as a precaution. Like maybe a fire could start while we're asleep. I didn't ask a lot of questions of him
|
This is simply not true. The breaker should trip. As was said earlier GFCIs are designed to protect humans. Not to prevent equipment damage.
When you plug your camper into a campground electrical pedestal. The main outlet you plug into is not GFCI protected.
At home it is always best when possible not to use a GFCI protected outlet.
__________________
2005 Dodge 3500 Cummins
2017 Wildwood Lodge 4092 BFL
1966 Mustang GT
1986 Mustang SVO
Lillie Spoiled Rotten Boxer Mix
|
|
|
07-25-2019, 01:38 PM
|
#14
|
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2017
Location: Southeast
Posts: 1,047
|
It is fine to plug camper in to a non GFCI receptacle in the house. When you have a dedicated 30Amp RV plug in your garage it isn't a GFCI circuit and goes directly to the main box with a 30A breaker. Then the RV cord plugs into the receptacle and out to the RV. So no GFCI in that loop. So no problem.
If using a 20A receptacle going over an extension cord to the RV make sure it is a good heavy quality cord 12 gauge three prong and in good shape. Don't run over wet ground.
__________________
2018 Forest River Rockwood Roo
24WS
2019 Ford SD F-350 SRW Lariat
Tow & Gooseneck Prep
FX4 Off Road (4X4)
|
|
|
07-25-2019, 02:09 PM
|
#15
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Raleigh, NC
Posts: 9,584
|
Wet ground?
Quote:
Originally Posted by rlh1957
It is fine to plug camper in to a non GFCI receptacle in the house. When you have a dedicated 30Amp RV plug in your garage it isn't a GFCI circuit and goes directly to the main box with a 30A breaker. Then the RV cord plugs into the receptacle and out to the RV. So no GFCI in that loop. So no problem.
If using a 20A receptacle going over an extension cord to the RV make sure it is a good heavy quality cord 12 gauge three prong and in good shape. Don't run over wet ground.
|
I've never had a problem running a quality (e.g., SJO) cord over wet ground. Our smaller travel trailer has been connected to a non-GFI 20 amp outlet via a quality 10-gauge cord for five years with no issues, through rain, snow, thundershowers, and everything else.
__________________
Larry
"Everybody's RV is not like your RV."
"Always take pictures with the button on the right."
"Always bypass the water heater before opening the low-point drains."
Sticks and Bricks: Raleigh, NC
2008 Cherokee 38P: at Ivor, VA permanently
|
|
|
07-25-2019, 02:20 PM
|
#16
|
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2017
Posts: 5,712
|
Been plugging our TT's into a non-GFI plug since 2007 and ran the refrig all summer long while they're in the driveway. You'll be fine plugging it in elsewhere.
|
|
|
07-25-2019, 02:27 PM
|
#17
|
Pickin', Campin', Mason
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: South Western PA
Posts: 19,143
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by rlh1957
It is fine to plug camper in to a non GFCI receptacle in the house. When you have a dedicated 30Amp RV plug in your garage it isn't a GFCI circuit and goes directly to the main box with a 30A breaker. Then the RV cord plugs into the receptacle and out to the RV. So no GFCI in that loop. So no problem.
If using a 20A receptacle going over an extension cord to the RV make sure it is a good heavy quality cord 12 gauge three prong and in good shape. Don't run over wet ground.
|
You had me agreeing 100% until your last sentence.
Why would running a "good heavy quality cord 12 gauge three prong and in good shape" (your words) over wet ground hurt anything?
__________________
2022 Cedar Creek 345IK 5th Wheel•Solar & Inverter•2024 Ford F-Series SCREW•7.3L•4x4•Factory Puck•B&W Companion•TST Tire Monitor w/Repeater•Sinemate 3500w Gen.
F&AM Lodge 358 Somerset, PA - JAFFA Shrine - Altoona, PA
Days Camped ☼ '19=118 ☼ '20=116 ☼ '21=123 ☼ '22=134 ☼ '23=118☼ '24=90
|
|
|
07-25-2019, 02:35 PM
|
#18
|
Site Team
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Louisville, KY
Posts: 10,525
|
I just set my Rv fridge on lp gas to cool it for a day. Too much trouble to drag out extension cord and it uses a small amount of LP in that time.
__________________
Peace!
Dan & Rita D
2017 Nissan Titan 5.6L King cab 4wd
2016 Evergreen Everlite 242RBS
29' empty nest model. Blue Ox WD hitch
(1 queen bed, large main cabin and huge bathroom)
Camping days 2010-53, 2011-47, 2012-41, 2013-41, 2014-31, 2015-40, 2016-44, 2017-63, 2018-75, 2019-32, 2020-41, 2021-49, 2022-43, 2023-66
|
|
|
07-25-2019, 02:54 PM
|
#19
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 672
|
Electric motors and GFCI's don't always play well. The air conditioner in our boat house will often trip the GFCI if anything else is plugged into the same circuit.
It is always safer to use a GFCI protected outlet outside if available to prevent getting shocked.
|
|
|
07-25-2019, 03:48 PM
|
#20
|
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2017
Location: Southeast
Posts: 1,047
|
How about a no nick, no cut, perfect shape outdoor extension cord. My statement was for all those who use tired old garage extension cords that are just looking for a chance to short out. My wording can be cloudy or muddy!
__________________
2018 Forest River Rockwood Roo
24WS
2019 Ford SD F-350 SRW Lariat
Tow & Gooseneck Prep
FX4 Off Road (4X4)
|
|
|
|
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
|
» Recent Discussions |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|