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04-06-2020, 09:21 PM
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Hospital layoffs due to Corona Virus
Here in Sarasota, Fl the largest hospital just announced layoffs due to lack of patients. Due to the cancellation of elective surgeries and procedures, the hospital in bleeding money. The hospital, with 839 beds, currently has 28 patients with COVID-19. I was there 1-1/2 weeks ago for a needed procedure, and the nurses in the department I was in had their shifts cut for lack of patients but had not been furloughed yet.
The largest hospital in Miami, Fl has also announced layoffs including nursing staff.
Just something to think about.
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04-06-2020, 09:37 PM
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Friend of mine, 30yrs as a Dr and a Registered Nurse Practitioner laid off last Monday. 1 CV-19 patient out of nearly 200 beds “reserved” for bio-hazard risks. She states the big “bailout” coming next will be the hospital system.
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04-06-2020, 09:48 PM
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DW works at an HCA facility. I'm told it's like a ghost-town. No visitors, few patients, very quiet.
HCA is requiring furloughs for full weeks at a time but paying 70% of salary on the furlough week. You can't take PTO hours to bridge the gap but you can cash in PTO (there's a technical difference). There's a 25% penalty to cash in PTO but that policy is not new.
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04-07-2020, 12:25 AM
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In KC my friend is an ICU nurse. They divided the ICU staff in half. Half covers the COVID ward the others the regular ICU. If they get sick the staff in regular ICU are available. The problem is they are cutting her hours back because of lack of patients in the regular ICU. I suppose it depends on your prospective but I see that as a good thing...I feel for them bit happy there are less people there. They have cut 10hrs a week so far.
I am sure things will bounce back after the stay home orders are lifted.
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04-07-2020, 12:35 AM
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People like my spouse has had a procedure delayed from March 30 til May 7th in the doctor's office. I'm speculating here, but I think it was because the hospital was trying to conserve PPE's. That and the Texas governor stopped all procedures.
Not sure what's going to happen on May 7th, but I don't think they can delay it any longer without ending up in the ER. Of course, if the ERs are empty, maybe that's a good thing.
The doctors and nurses are going to be really busy once they get restocked on PPEs and medicine.
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04-07-2020, 07:24 AM
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Canceling elective procedures is the hospital equivalent of social distancing. You can't get COVID-19 as a hospital-aquired infection if you're not there. Likewise, you can't bring it in with you to patients who don't already have it.
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Originally Posted by Reverse_snowbird
People like my spouse has had a procedure delayed from March 30 til May 7th in the doctor's office. I'm speculating here, but I think it was because the hospital was trying to conserve PPE's. That and the Texas governor stopped all procedures.
Not sure what's going to happen on May 7th, but I don't think they can delay it any longer without ending up in the ER. Of course, if the ERs are empty, maybe that's a good thing.
The doctors and nurses are going to be really busy once they get restocked on PPEs and medicine.
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04-07-2020, 08:52 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by srosey
Here in Sarasota, Fl the largest hospital just announced layoffs due to lack of patients. Due to the cancellation of elective surgeries and procedures, the hospital in bleeding money. The hospital, with 839 beds, currently has 28 patients with COVID-19. I was there 1-1/2 weeks ago for a needed procedure, and the nurses in the department I was in had their shifts cut for lack of patients but had not been furloughed yet.
The largest hospital in Miami, Fl has also announced layoffs including nursing staff.
Just something to think about.
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Frankly speaking, I think a hospital with empty beds is a good thing!
Who can disagree with that?
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04-07-2020, 09:37 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by D W
Frankly speaking, I think a hospital with empty beds is a good thing!
Who can disagree with that?
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My Dr told me once that hospitals are a good place to go and get sick.
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04-07-2020, 09:44 AM
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One thing that's seldom mentioned is that the response to Covid-19 will result in excess mortality in other areas. With elective procedures, checkups, early testing, etc., all shutdown some things are going to slip through the cracks and not get noticed until it's too late.
In addition, in areas where Covid-19 is taking over all the hospital beds - in the Northeast, now, soon in other areas - patients in need of ICU space for non-Covid reasons may not be able to get in.
Let's hope that social distancing and stay-at-home orders really help to flatten that curve!
Dave
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04-07-2020, 12:46 PM
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Location: Brentwood, CA
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Medical professionals laid off
I'm sure ANY medical professional looking for work can go to NYC and start working today. Governor Cuomo put out a nationwide plea for help lasts week and things have not improved there. Go where you're needed.
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04-07-2020, 01:35 PM
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Location: Bradenton, FL
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Quote:
Originally Posted by D W
Frankly speaking, I think a hospital with empty beds is a good thing!
Who can disagree with that?
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The people living with pain, uncertainty if that mass is cancer, palliative care chemo therapy, an abnormal stress test, the list goes on. It is great to be in wonderful physical shape but a lot of people have issues that they cannot address at this time. In Fl, by order of the governor, your immediate health must be at risk or you cannot have any type of medical or dental procedures done.
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04-07-2020, 01:39 PM
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Location: Wisconsin/Florida
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Quote:
Originally Posted by srosey
Here in Sarasota, Fl the largest hospital just announced layoffs due to lack of patients. Due to the cancellation of elective surgeries and procedures, the hospital in bleeding money. The hospital, with 839 beds, currently has 28 patients with COVID-19. I was there 1-1/2 weeks ago for a needed procedure, and the nurses in the department I was in had their shifts cut for lack of patients but had not been furloughed yet.
The largest hospital in Miami, Fl has also announced layoffs including nursing staff.
Just something to think about.
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I once was a manager in the second largest health care system in the state and facilities in an adjoining state. The administration wanted to look lean and mean for a merger with Mayo Clinic. Cut 10% across the board in all departments. Knowing that, I cut personnel 10% by attrition. Then came the big meeting of all departments and the announcement to cut staffing.
I had my 10%-NO, you need to cut another 10%. Okay, now we need overtime to cover it and the staff is strained to the limit. The VP actually suggested that our department of 30+ could cover 3 shifts, 365 days a year with 3 people (not a typo and not a misquote). Department responsibility was for the safety of the ER, mental health facility, alcohol/drug rehab and multiple facilities in other cities. The main hospital facility was in a gang area. Administrative staff above the manager level were paid annual bonuses. It was an incomprehensible scenario.
Nurses with enough time were offered packages, BUT, they had to sign a agreement not to work at the system under any staffing agency. It came to be that hospital wings were shut down because of lack of staffing, in part due to the agreement.
In my resignation letter, I stated that I could not abuse my staff according to their parameters. I told DW that either I departed the system or they would carry me out in a box. There were a number of other very competent administrators and doctors that resigned. Mayo Health System saw through the charade and went with another health system.
A couple of years later, I stopped by and spoke with the only remaining employee that worked in my department. All of those others in the department were gone. One actually ended up in the mental ward. The employee I spoke with had also left, then returned when the top system administration was replaced.
Most hospitals and health care facilities seek accreditation by the "Joint Commission" (Joint Commission on Accreditation of Healthcare Organizations) that has very stringent standards and inspections. That includes contingency plans for epidemics. It would appear that it was not enough.
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04-07-2020, 01:43 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2015
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My personal dentist and friend had to close her clinic indefinitely. She employs 10 people and they are all out of work. Makes sense to close a practice that is up close and personal with mouths.
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04-07-2020, 01:59 PM
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Location: Northen IL
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I was just talking with some friends of mine about how many places are going to end up closing during this time due to sheer lack of business. We are on lockdown through April 30.
I had heard, but not verified, that a local Applebee's had closed simply because they weren't making enough from their curbside/delivery.
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04-07-2020, 01:59 PM
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Location: Between Pickles Gap and Toad Suck, AR
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Folks here come from all over North America. I hear some folks on tv crying that their medical folks are working all day, every day. I hear others say hospitals are closing, or offers of use of open beds at some hospitals is refused because of union, or legal, or unknown reasons. The USNS ship Mercy or Comfort, whichever one it is, now has 12 patients.
Something is going on. Daily we (at least I) learn of some craziness reported that says things in Area Such-and-Such is nowhere what we were led to believe. March 31, S.Gen of US tell us to never wear masks. April 6, same guy says to wear them. Then we're told cloth is good enough. Then it's better.
We have 16 deaths in this state. Other states it just keeps going up. Entire country is told to lock down! EXCEPT for "essential services like food". So we all go congregate close together every day in a store with boxes and cans and meat and produce that's been touched by hundreds, all up next to each other while shopping. So that's ok, but once we leave the store, we have to stay apart. WTFO?
Then we're told only "essential" personnel can be out and about. Then we hear that 54% of "us" are essential! I drive to town to get my mail from UPS store and there's tons of traffic. Yet NYC is desolate.
I'm old and senile and never smart. But I think something is rotten in Denmark, Scooter.
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04-07-2020, 02:16 PM
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This blog is supposed to be about RVs. It has drifted into whatever? Hospitsls were mandated to stop all elective proceedures...not the hospitals choice. Hospital depend on the elective surgery and related diagnostic procedures for financial solvency/health. They were left with no option other than adjust staffing...50+ prpercent of a hospital's expenses. They will not be made whole by the goverment and will struggling for many years after this pandemic is over.
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04-07-2020, 02:18 PM
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Location: Wisconsin/Florida
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Quote:
Originally Posted by srosey
The people living with pain, uncertainty if that mass is cancer, palliative care chemo therapy, an abnormal stress test, the list goes on. It is great to be in wonderful physical shape but a lot of people have issues that they cannot address at this time. In Fl, by order of the governor, your immediate health must be at risk or you cannot have any type of medical or dental procedures done.
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DW has a point that empty beds are a good thing. Yes, if that means people are healthy and should be taken in that sense. As a venture to guess, most people either have or will have a preexisting condition. And, a percentage of people daily develop conditions requiring dental or medical care that can not be addressed via a phone call. It is not only Florida that is curtailing treatment, but most other states as-well.
Many people will be seriously affected by these mandates. But, what are the alternatives. We need to break the cycle with this virus. The concern about business as usual is that we don't want to add injury to insult. Personally, as much as I hate to having a tooth filled, I would hate it even more if I had a tooth filled and ended up on a ventilator, worse yet, a slab. Let's hope that in the next few weeks, the wheels start to turn. We don't need any more problems than we have.
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04-07-2020, 03:10 PM
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[QUOTE=PenJoe;2301704][QUOTE=srosey;2301388]Here in Sarasota, Fl the largest hospital just announced layoffs due to lack of patients. Due to the cancellation of elective surgeries and procedures, the hospital in bleeding money. The hospital, with 839 beds, currently has 28 patients with COVID-19. I was there 1-1/2 weeks ago for a needed procedure, and the nurses in the department I was in had their shifts cut for lack of patients but had not been furloughed yet.
The largest hospital in Miami, Fl has also announced layoffs including nursing staff.
Just something to think about.[/QUO
I had my 10%-NO, you need to cut another 10%. Okay, now we need overtime to cover it and the staff is strained to the limit. The VP actually suggested that our department of 30+ could cover 3 shifts, 365 days a year with 3 people (not a typo and not a misquote). Department responsibility was for the safety of the ER, mental health facility, alcohol/drug rehab and multiple facilities in other cities. The main hospital facility was in a gang area. Administrative staff above the manager level were paid annual bonuses. It was an incomprehensible scenario.
The above paragraph is what happens when you have 'leadership' with business acumen but NO medical knowledge like in your situation. All they (and shareholders) care about is the bottom line. I am in the medical field and own my own practice. I'll never work for 'the man' again and I treat my employees well.
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04-07-2020, 03:24 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rlind
This blog is supposed to be about RVs. It has drifted into whatever? Hospitsls were mandated to stop all elective proceedures...not the hospitals choice. Hospital depend on the elective surgery and related diagnostic procedures for financial solvency/health. They were left with no option other than adjust staffing...50+ prpercent of a hospital's expenses. They will not be made whole by the goverment and will struggling for many years after this pandemic is over.
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This site is typically defined as a forum or a message board, not a blog.
We created this subforum as a place for members to talk about the current crisis that's affecting all of us. It's bound to drift into other subjects not specifically related to RVs.
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04-07-2020, 03:25 PM
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Location: Azle, Tx
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Reverse_snowbird
People like my spouse has had a procedure delayed from March 30 til May 7th in the doctor's office. I'm speculating here, but I think it was because the hospital was trying to conserve PPE's. That and the Texas governor stopped all procedures.
Not sure what's going to happen on May 7th, but I don't think they can delay it any longer without ending up in the ER. Of course, if the ERs are empty, maybe that's a good thing.
The doctors and nurses are going to be really busy once they get restocked on PPEs and medicine.
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My DW had a very special MRI postponed from March 27th to May 1st at UT Southwestern in Dallas. I am betting that gets changed again......
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