Washington state just issued wide ranging restrictions.

[PodGeek]

I'll just make one comment.

It's so interesting to read posts from folks who have clearly been drinking the Fox News/One America et al. Kool-Aid. As a scientist who has spent his professional life attempting to gather and evaluate facts and evidence, and act accordingly, I find it very distressing that so many of our fellow citizens seem to be acting as if they were devotees of Jim Jones or David Koresh.

We have brains, people! Please consider using them.

Ok, now I'll have to start ducking...so be it.

[TitanMike]

Originally Posted by NavyLCDR

The third worst state:
1. California
2. Washington
3. Oregon

This merely shows that CA residents, trying to escape CA have merely migrated north. Started back in the 60's.

[TitanMike]

Originally Posted by BigH

I have three friends who lost a parent this year. Two were in their 80's and one was 93.

The 93 year old had Covid early this spring with nothing more than a low grade fever...it never even changed his routine. He died last month of a heart attack and they wrote death as a result of Covid on the death certificate. My friend wouldn't sign the death certificate.

Both of the two in their 80's never had Covid and both had Covid written on the death certificate as cause of death.

There is no doubt in my mind Covid is out there and its even killing some folks but there is also no doubt the numbers are BS.

Very interesting. When my wife died the Death Certificate was signed by her Doctor and I merely saw a copy when I was executing her estate.

From the net:

Others who can sign a death certificate include a primary physician, an attending physician, a non-attending physician, a medical examiner, a nurse practitioner, a forensic pathologist or a coroner, but it varies according to state law. In Texas, for example, a justice of the peace can sign.

Wasn't able to find any state that requires or even allows next of kin to sign the Certificate.

It's very possible to see Covid-19 shown on a Death Certificate but not necessarily as the cause of death but a contributing factor.

[TitanMike]

Originally Posted by Beachbourbon

I live in SoCal and near a major hospital...haven’t see any issues.

Here's another report that shows where the main issues are in CA and a reasonable analysis of why:

https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-ne...417f0449de4f68

[5picker]

Originally Posted by PodGeek

I'll just make one comment.

It's so interesting to read posts from folks who have clearly been drinking the Fox News/One America et al. Kool-Aid. As a scientist who has spent his professional life attempting to gather and evaluate facts and evidence, and act accordingly, I find it very distressing that so many of our fellow citizens seem to be acting as if they were devotees of Jim Jones or David Koresh.

We have brains, people! Please consider using them.

Ok, now I'll have to start ducking...so be it.

Agreed.
I see many responses (not only here) where folks seem to have lost their ability to understand facts and weed out the BS. But, quick to want everyone to believe they are smarter than everyone else, they simply must not be listening to what is coming out of their own mouths while spreading absolute misinformation. What a sad outlook for our country. It's worse than a cult mentality.

[TitanMike]

Originally Posted by timfromma

I've lost count of how many people I've seen on the news who thought COVID-19 was fake or over hyped, didnt wear a mask and either themselves or someone dear to them has become deathly ill only to hear them wish they had listened to the scientists and not the politicians. If you want to gamble with your own life go right ahead but please don't drag the rest of us down with you.

Ask NJKris who is a member of this forum if he thinks Covid is merely hype. Thankfully he survived.

[mjones12]

Originally Posted by TC of NC

Lockdowns, the mask of obedience, social distancing is voluntary and not mandatory by the government. If you believe anything on the news your being misled and brainwashed. We left on December 16th from North Carolina in our travel trailer and have travelled across the US coast to coast and have crossed the Mississippi twice now. Visiting Arizona, California, Utah, New Orleans etc. and now camping in Georgia. Never put on a mask one time and going everywhere. We are not afraid to live our lives free. I recently went to Tokyo on business in September. Had to wear a mask to get on the plane but did not wear one in the airport in the US or in Japan. I rode crowded trains and went into crowded shopping malls and restaurants and hotel lobby all with not mask. No I am not afraid to be free civil disobedience is the only way to stop this madness. This government has tricked people into believing these executive orders are legal and the people willingly obeyed. hundreds of thousands of business have been force to go out of business. This has caused more death and destruction than the flu ever could. Just the increase in suicide alone has surpassed the number of people that have died from the virus. The fake news would have you believe otherwise but don't believe it and don't quote me their false statistics. Excuse me for venting but I didn't start this political rant on the virus.

Please do not come anywhere near me or my family. That IS a mandate.

[TitanMike]

Originally Posted by mjones12

Please do not come anywhere near me or my family. That IS a mandate.

Luckily the majority of the population appears to be taking things more seriously than a small minority (10%).

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/2020...0-poll-finds#1

Isn't it that way with most everything, where only a small number of individuals are responsible for the majority of the problems.

Some refer to it as the 80/20 rule (although that's an approximation) where 80% of the problems, complaints, etc come from 20% of the people.

[Johnnydog]

Numbers don't mean anything to people who do not want to deal with a problem. If it is an inconvenient fact they just call it fake. What possible reason, other than saving lives, could officials have for encouraging masks and distancing? I cannot see any reason why I should risk taking another persons life by refusing to wear a mask.

[wmtire]

https://www.forestriverforums.com/fo...me-203416.html


Thread being closed as it has become a circle argument between a few.