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Old 03-11-2018, 11:18 PM   #1
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Newbie with possible structural issue.

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I just purchased a 2013 Sierra Select 28RE. While routing the water line under the unit, I found the following issue:

Just in front of the front axle, there is a length of angle iron that runs from one side of the unit to the other (parallel to the axle.) Just in front of this piece about three feet away is another piece of angle that runs the same direction. Connecting these two braces are three pieces of angle iron that are only welded on one end. At first I assumed that the welds had broken, but there is no weld material present on the unwelded end. At this point, I am trying to figure out how something like this was missed at the factory? I am also going to ask the dealer why they didn't find it either (given that they supposidly did a THOROUGH inspection before selling it to me.

I simply cannot imagine why this would be designed this way, but I thought that I would ask here first.

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Any chance you have pics?
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Old 03-11-2018, 11:47 PM   #3
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I cant upload pic from work and have no internet at campsite. I will see if I can upload some from someplace that has wifi.

I think that these braces simply add support to what I would call the floor joists in a conventional home. There are only three of them and they are thin gauge metal. As such, they cant do much.

If they left the factory unwelded, and were supposed to be welded, that speaks poorly of FR's quality control. That, and the dealer that sold it to me didn't do a great inspection either.
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I cant upload pic from work and have no internet at campsite. I will see if I can upload some from someplace that has wifi.

I think that these braces simply add support to what I would call the floor joists in a conventional home. There are only three of them and they are thin gauge metal. As such, they cant do much.

If they left the factory unwelded, and were supposed to be welded, that speaks poorly of FR's quality control. That, and the dealer that sold it to me didn't do a great inspection either.

Don't shoot the messenger. The dealer is not responsible for inspecting the manufactures design or structural workmanship. That is the responsibility of the manufacturer QC. QC rarely exist it the RV industry. The dealer would be responsible for visible cosmetic and all mechanical workings. Send pictures to the dealer and I'm sure he will get it taken care of.
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Old 03-12-2018, 04:36 AM   #5
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Don't shoot the messenger. The dealer is not responsible for inspecting the manufactures design or structural workmanship. That is the responsibility of the manufacturer QC. QC rarely exist it the RV industry. The dealer would be responsible for visible cosmetic and all mechanical workings. Send pictures to the dealer and I'm sure he will get it taken care of.
I agree to a point. However, the dealer said that they would do a three day inspection and check everything. After having it delivered two days ago, I have found a water heater drain plug installed only finger tight (which resulted in a water leak, a leak somewhere in the grey tank and this missing weld issue. For a "newbie", I am not exactly off to a good start.

I have read many complaints about lacking "QC" in the RV industry. It seems as though some manufacturers would "step up their game" and fix that issue.
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Welcome to the Forum.......

Don't shoot me either but you have a 5-6 year old trailer (2013?) and if this truly is a problem major issues would probably have shown up by now unless the previous owner never used it. Not saying that it should not be fixed but with out pictures it is hard to second guess.


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I didn't pick up on the year. Would you expect a used car dealer to be responsible for structural manufacturer defects on a 5-year-old car? You can forget about the dealer taking care of the welds. Take it to a welding shop. He may be nice and fix the leaks. It's pretty much an "AS IS" situation.
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Welcome to the Forum.......

Don't shoot me either but you have a 5-6 year old trailer (2013?) and if this truly is a problem major issues would probably have shown up by now unless the previous owner never used it. Not saying that it should not be fixed but with out pictures it is hard to second guess.

I promise not to shoot........... and I do appreciate the replies. I am just a bit "green" and out of my comfort zone............
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I didn't pick up on the year. Would you expect a used car dealer to be responsible for structural manufacturer defects on a 5-year-old car? You can forget about the dealer taking care of the welds. Take it to a welding shop. He may be nice and fix the leaks. It's pretty much an "AS IS" situation.
I can get the braces welded and would not have posted had there been signs of broken welds. Because I found no previous welds, I was unsure as to what I was looking at. I never imagined something like this being missed at the factory. Obviously, my expectation of RV manufacturing workmanship was unrealistic.
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I can get the braces welded and would not have posted had there been signs of broken welds. Because I found no previous welds, I was unsure as to what I was looking at. I never imagined something like this being missed at the factory. Obviously, my expectation of RV manufacturing workmanship was unrealistic.
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I can get the braces welded and would not have posted had there been signs of broken welds. Because I found no previous welds, I was unsure as to what I was looking at. I never imagined something like this being missed at the factory. Obviously, my expectation of RV manufacturing workmanship was unrealistic.
Typically the factory (Forest River) does not build the frames just on them. The frames are made by a couple of companies Lippert is the best known.

Having owned campers for 35 plus year build quality is actually better today than in years past but campers are more complicated as well. The problem comes in to get better or very good build quality a camper would cost over 100K and that would put a lot over us out of the market.

I miss simple campers our new campers have have slide rooms, fireplaces, stereos/dvd players, TVs, converters, cable/ sat hookups, ACs, microwaves, recliners / sofas, grey tanks, awnings were optional and more ...... we don't camp like we did in the past (but I am not complaining either)


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Old 03-12-2018, 07:24 AM   #12
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Sounds like the supports for a "TANK" is there a Tank above these Supports? Youroo!!
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Sounds like the supports for a "TANK" is there a Tank above these Supports? Youroo!!
X2, I was just going to suggest that. I had the exact same layout on my old wilderness back in 2004, light weight angle and same amount of parts.
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Sounds like the supports for a "TANK" is there a Tank above these Supports? Youroo!!
X3. Wonder if the previous owner heard about tanks falling out and started to put in a reinforcement. If the unwelded ends sit on the second bar, the PO may have decided the welds weren't needed. Or decided the side to side was sufficient and didn't take the other bars back off.
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Expecting a boat dealer to make a nearly 6 year old RV perfectly new is a bit over the top. Maybe FR has an explanation....
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Old 03-12-2018, 02:26 PM   #16
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If the angled pieces and the cross brace overlaps you could always drill a couple holes and use bolts in them to tie it all together, Could not help but strengthen the frame and certainly could not hurt.
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Sounds like something added by previous owner for some reason.
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Old 03-12-2018, 02:38 PM   #18
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Sounds like someone moved the fresh water tank to a new location, those brackets have a history of bending, is your fresh water tank maybe moved to under the bed?? I am thinking about doing the same to my 2504s minilite
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Greetings,

I just purchased a 2013 Sierra Select 28RE. While routing the water line under the unit, I found the following issue:

Just in front of the front axle, there is a length of angle iron that runs from one side of the unit to the other (parallel to the axle.) Just in front of this piece about three feet away is another piece of angle that runs the same direction. Connecting these two braces are three pieces of angle iron that are only welded on one end. At first I assumed that the welds had broken, but there is no weld material present on the unwelded end. At this point, I am trying to figure out how something like this was missed at the factory? I am also going to ask the dealer why they didn't find it either (given that they supposidly did a THOROUGH inspection before selling it to me.

I simply cannot imagine why this would be designed this way, but I thought that I would ask here first.

Thanks.
I am pretty sure that this is a bracket that supposedly holds up a tank. In my case it was this badly made and badly welded bracket which allowed my fresh tank to 'float' under the 5'er and eventually wear a hole along the top edge. The results of that was losing water on the road AND when I filled it to the top once, it exploded, burst completely, like BOOM.

I know what this bracket looks like because I have one on the ground (actually in my shed). It was replaced when I replaced the plastic tank with a stainless steel one, with internal baffles.

Check to see if you have all the tanks the unit is supposed to have If there is no tank above this bracket, then I think you lost one.
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I do not know about the other divisions, but I know from personal experience that there is a very comprehensive inspection performed at the Rockwell Signature Lite/Flagstaff Superlite plant. We have visited that plant on two occasions and both times there was a ton of inspecting being done.During the PDI on our Flagstaff Superlite, we only found two small issues.
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