Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 11-10-2016, 03:52 PM   #1
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: WI
Posts: 215
Why when running battery ...

Do many appliances and power outlets not work? Battery IS fully charged.
dcavaiani is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2016, 04:02 PM   #2
Fulltime family RVer
 
ependydad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 19,906
Your camper has 2 distinct power systems - battery power (12v) and shore power (120v).

The appliances and power outlets are 120v and only work if you're plugged into electric.

The lights, heater, fridge (possibly), and camper systems (slides, jacks, etc.) are 12v and work off of the battery.

You can buy and install an inverter to convert 12v to 120v, but you have to be careful with usage. It can take a lot of battery power to power the simplest of appliances. Most camper's don't come with inverters but you can add it on.
__________________
2018 Ram 3500 DRW/crew cab/long bed/4x4/4.10 gears pulling a 2017 Spartan 1245 by Prime Time
Checkout my site for RVing tips, tricks, and info | My family and I have fulltimed since June 2015
ependydad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2016, 04:08 PM   #3
Fulltime family RVer
 
ependydad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 19,906
The 12v Side of Life might help you. This diagram does a pretty good job of explaining things:



It's overwhelming at first, but don't worry- it gets easier and clearer to understand as time goes on.
__________________
2018 Ram 3500 DRW/crew cab/long bed/4x4/4.10 gears pulling a 2017 Spartan 1245 by Prime Time
Checkout my site for RVing tips, tricks, and info | My family and I have fulltimed since June 2015
ependydad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2016, 04:16 PM   #4
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: WI
Posts: 215
Excellent Reply, Thank You!!
dcavaiani is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2016, 04:29 PM   #5
Site Team
 
bikendan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Camano Island, Washington
Posts: 22,107
Your dealer should have explained how the two different systems work.
Another example of poor dealer PDI.
__________________
Dan-Retired California Firefighter/EMT
Shawn-Musician/Entrepreneur/Wine Expert
and Zoe the Wonder Dog(R.I.P.)
2016 PrimeTime TracerAIR 255, pushing a 2014 Ford F150 SCREW XTR 4x4 3.5 Ecoboost w/Max Tow Package
Equalizer WDH
bikendan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2016, 04:49 PM   #6
Senior Member
 
Oaklevel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Virginia
Posts: 6,259
What they said !!!!

Lots of good info here if you are new welcome !!!!!!!!!


__________________

2005 Dodge 3500 Cummins
2017 Wildwood Lodge 4092 BFL
1966 Mustang GT
1986 Mustang SVO
Lillie Spoiled Rotten Boxer Mix
Oaklevel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-11-2016, 06:14 PM   #7
Senior Member
 
chop249's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Burleson, Tx.
Posts: 390
Some of the newer units with residential fridges have inverters that will power those going down the road. They won't run on propane like the older RV fridges did. You'll have an INVERTER switch in your control panel by the front door. Good info on the BE CAREFUL aspect of adding your own for the other appliances. You need to calculate what each appliance will need Watts/Volts/Amps/Ohms conversion calculator and be aware that your batteries will not last very long. (Don't strand yourself with the slides open and jacks down.) If you dry camp a lot and need to have the inverter power you are going to need to add batteries to your system http://www.rvforum.net/miscfiles/batterycon-1.pdf
__________________
Bob
2011 Ford F350 Lariat
2016 Sandpiper 381RBOK with an extremely CRAPPY A/C!!!
Nights Camped: 2010 = 14/11 = 27/12 = 13/13 = 10/14 = 30/15 = 47/16 = 30/17 = 21/18 = 11
chop249 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-11-2016, 06:34 PM   #8
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: WI
Posts: 215
Ours is permanently parked, so not a big deal. A previous post explained exactly why we don't get power to certain devices/areas when running on just the battery. There is an inverter toggle on the control panel, but it is not activated. Just like two of the three slide out toggles, which are also not activated. The slide out issue, which is an unpredictable snafu, i.e., the random selection of the extending/retracting of a CERTAIN slide-out, is a real dilemma in my mind!
dcavaiani is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-11-2016, 06:59 PM   #9
Pickin', Campin', Mason
 
5picker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: South Western PA
Posts: 12,382
Quote:
Originally Posted by dcavaiani View Post
Ours is permanently parked, so not a big deal. A previous post explained exactly why we don't get power to certain devices/areas when running on just the battery. There is an inverter toggle on the control panel, but it is not activated. Just like two of the three slide out toggles, which are also not activated. The slide out issue, which is an unpredictable snafu, i.e., the random selection of the extending/retracting of a CERTAIN slide-out, is a real dilemma in my mind!
You likely have hydraulically operated slides.
They are hooked in series through the hydraulic pump circuit.
The slide with the least amount of resistance will go in/out first and then the hydraulic circuit will start pushing/pulling the next of least resistance. The slide with the least resistance isn't always the same either. Depending on slide size, temperature, rain, dirt, etc. it could start with any of them.
__________________
_________________________________________
2016 Flagstaff 8529IKBS Diamond Package 5th Wheel-Goodyear Endurance Tires
2017 Ford F-Series SCREW 4x4 - Factory Puck B&W Companion
TST Tire Monitor w/Repeater - Sinemate 3500w Gen.

Days Camped: '17=30 '18=51 '19=58 '20=88
5picker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-11-2016, 07:06 PM   #10
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: WI
Posts: 215
Interesting, and accurate for our camper, by not great logic by Forest-river! Just wonder if the cylinder reservoir will be less full when the slides are extended? We have no breather cap on the reservoir, and the TM fluid is only half full with the slide outs extended.
dcavaiani is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-11-2016, 07:14 PM   #11
Pickin', Campin', Mason
 
5picker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: South Western PA
Posts: 12,382
Yes the fluid from the reservoir fills the hydraulic cylinders (to push out the slides) and then returns when retracted. You should only check the level when all are retracted. The fill cap likely has a breather built into it.
__________________
_________________________________________
2016 Flagstaff 8529IKBS Diamond Package 5th Wheel-Goodyear Endurance Tires
2017 Ford F-Series SCREW 4x4 - Factory Puck B&W Companion
TST Tire Monitor w/Repeater - Sinemate 3500w Gen.

Days Camped: '17=30 '18=51 '19=58 '20=88
5picker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-11-2016, 07:24 PM   #12
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: WI
Posts: 215
Thank you. I have no cap at all on the reservoir - wide open.
dcavaiani is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-11-2016, 07:28 PM   #13
Senior Member
 
NMWildcat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Southern NM
Posts: 5,940
Quote:
Originally Posted by dcavaiani View Post
Thank you. I have no cap at all on the reservoir - wide open.
If I were you I would cover that ASAP. Don't want dirt/debris getting in there.
__________________
Scott and Liz - Southern NM
2012 Wildcat Sterling 32RL - w/level up (best option ever)
2007 Chevy 2500HD 4dr short bed Duramax w/allison
Reese Fifth Airborne air ride king pin coupler with Sidewinder
NMWildcat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-11-2016, 07:32 PM   #14
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: WI
Posts: 215
Did so for now, put double layer of tin foil over the opening.
dcavaiani is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-11-2016, 08:05 PM   #15
Senior Member
 
rracer5's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Full Timing It
Posts: 2,688
Quote:
Originally Posted by bikendan View Post
Your dealer should have explained how the two different systems work.
Another example of poor dealer PDI.
Quote:
Originally Posted by dcavaiani View Post
Interesting, and accurate for our camper, by not great logic by Forest-river! Just wonder if the cylinder reservoir will be less full when the slides are extended? We have no breather cap on the reservoir, and the TM fluid is only half full with the slide outs extended.

X2 on the dealer PDI.....how did they miss a missing cap!!!
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	2014-02-02_17-10-11_881.jpg
Views:	53
Size:	334.3 KB
ID:	125093  
__________________
"PT Crew Members Since 9/2010"
2011 RAM 2500 HD 6.7L CTD Crew
2014 Sanibel 3250
rracer5 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-11-2016, 08:11 PM   #16
Site Team
 
bikendan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Camano Island, Washington
Posts: 22,107
How did they not go over this stuff with the OP, including the mystery switches in the OP's other thread?
:what::thumbdown::banghead:
__________________
Dan-Retired California Firefighter/EMT
Shawn-Musician/Entrepreneur/Wine Expert
and Zoe the Wonder Dog(R.I.P.)
2016 PrimeTime TracerAIR 255, pushing a 2014 Ford F150 SCREW XTR 4x4 3.5 Ecoboost w/Max Tow Package
Equalizer WDH
bikendan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-11-2016, 08:57 PM   #17
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: WI
Posts: 215
Quote:
Originally Posted by ependydad View Post
The 12v Side of Life might help you. This diagram does a pretty good job of explaining things:



It's overwhelming at first, but don't worry- it gets easier and clearer to understand as time goes on.
Do slide outs work with battery removed?
dcavaiani is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-11-2016, 09:00 PM   #18
Fulltime family RVer
 
ependydad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 19,906
Quote:
Originally Posted by dcavaiani View Post
Do slide outs work with battery removed?

Maybe yes, maybe no. If you're not plugged into shore power (campsite) and don't have 12v- they definitely do not.

Your converter converts 120v to 12v and may operate the slides without a battery. My camper has a sticker that says "slides won't work without a battery" but I've never tried it.
__________________
2018 Ram 3500 DRW/crew cab/long bed/4x4/4.10 gears pulling a 2017 Spartan 1245 by Prime Time
Checkout my site for RVing tips, tricks, and info | My family and I have fulltimed since June 2015
ependydad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-11-2016, 09:01 PM   #19
Pickin', Campin', Mason
 
5picker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: South Western PA
Posts: 12,382
Quote:
Originally Posted by dcavaiani View Post
Do slide outs work with battery removed?
Maybe.
If plugged into shore power your converter can supply the needed 12v for the hydraulic slide pump motor. Also depends on how the rig is wired.
__________________
_________________________________________
2016 Flagstaff 8529IKBS Diamond Package 5th Wheel-Goodyear Endurance Tires
2017 Ford F-Series SCREW 4x4 - Factory Puck B&W Companion
TST Tire Monitor w/Repeater - Sinemate 3500w Gen.

Days Camped: '17=30 '18=51 '19=58 '20=88
5picker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-11-2016, 09:02 PM   #20
Pickin', Campin', Mason
 
5picker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: South Western PA
Posts: 12,382
Quote:
Originally Posted by bikendan View Post
How did they not go over this stuff with the OP, including the mystery switches in the OP's other thread?
:what::thumbdown::banghead:
Agreed. What a shame!
__________________
_________________________________________
2016 Flagstaff 8529IKBS Diamond Package 5th Wheel-Goodyear Endurance Tires
2017 Ford F-Series SCREW 4x4 - Factory Puck B&W Companion
TST Tire Monitor w/Repeater - Sinemate 3500w Gen.

Days Camped: '17=30 '18=51 '19=58 '20=88
5picker is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
battery

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


» Featured Campgrounds

Reviews provided by

Disclaimer:

This website is not affiliated with or endorsed by Forest River, Inc. or any of its affiliates. This is an independent, unofficial site.



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:02 AM.