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Old 11-02-2022, 03:36 PM   #1
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1/2 ton tow able Wildcat Maxx

How can Forest River claim the Wildcat Maxx fifth wheels are 1/2 ton tow able. According to their specifications depending on floor plans the GVMR ranges from 11,590 to 11,960 lbs, the UVW from 8,431 to 9,353 lbs. Please inform me which 1/2 ton could safely tow them? I have a Chevy 2500 HD with 3:73:1 axle and the max trailer weight is 9,700 lbs, I do not think I would feel safe towing them in mountains.
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Old 11-02-2022, 03:55 PM   #2
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How can Forest River claim the Wildcat Maxx fifth wheels are 1/2 ton tow able. According to their specifications depending on floor plans the GVMR ranges from 11,590 to 11,960 lbs, the UVW from 8,431 to 9,353 lbs. Please inform me which 1/2 ton could safely tow them? I have a Chevy 2500 HD with 3:73:1 axle and the max trailer weight is 9,700 lbs, I do not think I would feel safe towing them in mountains.
The "Half Ton Towable" is a marketing scam used throughout the RV Industry, not just FR.
Only a handful of properly spec'd 1/2 tons are capable. The Unicorn F150 3.5 Ecoboost with the Heavy Duty Payload package is one such 1/2 ton. I've seen some newer GM 1/2 ton trucks with payload capacities over 2,000lbs.
But these trucks normally have to ordered as literally no dealers stock them.

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https://www.merchantsfleet.com/indus...ks-for-towing/
1/2 way down it only shows one that is over 11,960 lbs the Ford F150.

https://www.motorbiscuit.com/only-2-...-13000-pounds/
This shows ford at 14K towing and chevy at 13,300


https://www.motortrend.com/features/...ks-for-towing/
This one shows Ford, Ram and toyota over your numbers.

The engineers that come up with these numbers definitely are not using fictitious numbers, but they also have a "cover my *****" clause in play


What anyone on here feels safe towing weight with is only there own opinion, and should not be used to sway someone else from making there own decisions based on real experiences and facts. This personal opinion only has entertainment value.
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How can Forest River claim the Wildcat Maxx fifth wheels are 1/2 ton tow able. According to their specifications depending on floor plans the GVMR ranges from 11,590 to 11,960 lbs, the UVW from 8,431 to 9,353 lbs. Please inform me which 1/2 ton could safely tow them? I have a Chevy 2500 HD with 3:73:1 axle and the max trailer weight is 9,700 lbs, I do not think I would feel safe towing them in mountains.
A chevy 2500 with only towing rate of 9,700lbs? Seems a bit low to me...I have RAM 2500 and my max trailer weight is 17,300ish pounds. My Wildcat 5th Wheel is 11k and change dry, max weight like 14k.
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A chevy 2500 with only towing rate of 9,700lbs? Seems a bit low to me...I have RAM 2500 and my max trailer weight is 17,300ish pounds. My Wildcat 5th Wheel is 11k and change dry, max weight like 14k.
My 2020 Silveraldo 1500 with Tow package, has a max tow weight of 11500 and a payload of just shy of 3000LBS.
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My 2020 Silveraldo 1500 with Tow package, has a max tow weight of 11500 and a payload of just shy of 3000LBS.
what motor do you have? 2wd or 4wd? 2dr or 4dr? short bed or long bed?

online chevy info states payload UP TO: 2,543lbs and trailers can go up to 13,400lbs.

and being a 1500, bet its a gasser so ya mpg SUCKS when hauling or towing lmao

my max trailer weight is over 17k pounds, and payload at 2,350lbs

PAYLOADs include everything from passenger/fuel/oil/coolant/etc. weights then remainder available weight is for what your are hauling in bed of truck.

Also theres the total combined weight of truck and trailer, mine is over 23k pounds at full capacity.
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I posted this on another truck forum recently. I snapped this photo while passing through Utah last spring. I spoke with the owner briefly and he said it towed fine. He didn't volunteer any numbers and I didn't ask. Looks like an XL trim w/extended cab. I'm guessing the payload numbers are fairly stout. The Keystone Cougar line of RVs are advertised to be 1/2 ton towable. This isn't something I would do for a variety of reasons but here are the specs:
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what motor do you have? 2wd or 4wd? 2dr or 4dr? short bed or long bed?

online chevy info states payload UP TO: 2,543lbs and trailers can go up to 13,400lbs.

and being a 1500, bet its a gasser so ya mpg SUCKS when hauling or towing lmao

my max trailer weight is over 17k pounds, and payload at 2,350lbs

PAYLOADs include everything from passenger/fuel/oil/coolant/etc. weights then remainder available weight is for what your are hauling in bed of truck.

Also theres the total combined weight of truck and trailer, mine is over 23k pounds at full capacity.
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Silveraldo 1500, short bed, crew cab, 4WD, 3.42 rear axle. I just picked it up 3 weeks ago so I have no info on mpg. It has the "Max Tow Package" . Which, as per dealer, means a beefed up suspension, transmission, rear end ratio. etc. I haven't towed anything with it yet or really mentally gotten into what it can or can't do. Those specs I quoted in my original post were from the door plate.
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Silveraldo 1500, short bed, crew cab, 4WD, 3.42 rear axle. I just picked it up 3 weeks ago so I have no info on mpg. It has the "Max Tow Package" . Which, as per dealer, means a beefed up suspension, transmission, rear end ratio. etc. I haven't towed anything with it yet or really mentally gotten into what it can or can't do. Those specs I quoted in my original post were from the door plate.
what is motor size?
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The Max Tow package is offered by Ford.
The GM equivalent is called the Max TRAILERING package.
Ford's Max Tow package doesn't have a heavy payload feature with it. That comes with the Heavy Duty Payload package, which automatically adds the Max Tow package.
I'm not aware how GM equips their Max Trailering package.
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Silveraldo 1500, short bed, crew cab, 4WD, 3.42 rear axle. I just picked it up 3 weeks ago so I have no info on mpg. It has the "Max Tow Package" . Which, as per dealer, means a beefed up suspension, transmission, rear end ratio. etc. I haven't towed anything with it yet or really mentally gotten into what it can or can't do. Those specs I quoted in my original post were from the door plate.
Check the sticker on the door of your truck. Sales people lie a lot. A lot depends on your rear axle , ours is a 3.75 with the 4.2 the towing goes up . In my owners manual there is no listing for a 1/2 ton or 3/4 ton tow ability for a fifth wheel that has a 3.42 axle.
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Silveraldo 1500, short bed, crew cab, 4WD, 3.42 rear axle. I just picked it up 3 weeks ago so I have no info on mpg. It has the "Max Tow Package" . Which, as per dealer, means a beefed up suspension, transmission, rear end ratio. etc. I haven't towed anything with it yet or really mentally gotten into what it can or can't do. Those specs I quoted in my original post were from the door plate.
Can you post a picture of that door plate? Just shy of 3000 lbs should be well beyond any 1/2 ton pickup. That would put it a bit over my 2500HD gasser with 2800lbs. I found this searching the internet:

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The new 2021 Chevrolet Silverado 1500 also has an improved maximum payload as a light-duty pickup truck. Drivers near Jasper, IN, can opt for the Silverado 1500 Regular Cab Long Bed 2WD, paired with the 2.7L Turbo engine, in order to achieve a maximum payload of up to 2,280 lbs.
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Can you post a picture of that door plate? Just shy of 3000 lbs should be well beyond any 1/2 ton pickup. That would put it a bit over my 2500HD gasser with 2800lbs. I found this searching the internet:







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Well, the new F-150 can be spec'd with a max payload capacity of 3,310lbs.
https://www.ford.com/trucks/f150/fea...&&searchid=|||
And a max towing capacity of 14,000lbs.
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Well, the new F-150 can be spec'd with a max payload capacity of 3,310lbs.
https://www.ford.com/trucks/f150/fea...&&searchid=|||
And a max towing capacity of 14,000lbs.
Right and thats not a Chevy, or a 4wd, crew cab, short bed.

On my FB group some has one of the mythical F150's with 3K payload. Its stripped, special order, and he had to try and get it. Its a work truck for the business he works at so was more of a commercial purchase.

So excluding the unicorn, the max payload for an F150 is in the same ~2300lb range. Its certainly possible that the person above has a 3K limit. Thats why I want to see the actual door sticker. There would be only like 50 of those built a year, not a just go to your dealer and get one.

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Right and thats not a Chevy, or a 4wd, crew cab, short bed.



On my FB group some has one of the mythical F150's with 3K payload. Its stripped, special order, and he had to try and get it. Its a work truck for the business he works at so was more of a commercial purchase.



So excluding the unicorn, the max payload for an F150 is in the same ~2300lb range. Its certainly possible that the person above has a 3K limit. Thats why I want to see the actual door sticker. There would be only like 50 of those built a year, not a just go to your dealer and get one.



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I would also like to see a pic of the actual silver door payload capacity sticker.
I was only responding to this sentence:
"Just shy of 3000 lbs should be well beyond any 1/2 ton pickup."
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I would also like to see a pic of the actual silver door payload capacity sticker.
I was only responding to this sentence:
"Just shy of 3000 lbs should be well beyond any 1/2 ton pickup."
Yes, I should know by now to not make absolute statements like that. And hopefully my reply did not come off too snarky, it was not meant to be.... just typing too fast.

So I'll fix myself and say that 3000lbs should be beyond all but a select few unicorn trucks that the owners of are probably hording somewhere.

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Looking at your signature you pull with a gas motor. When I was growing up my grandfather had a 74 ford that he bought cheap in the late 80s he put a 360 in it. He used it to transport headstones around. He drove to Oklahoma at least once a month to get more stones hauling back close to 10k each trip not including the a frame with mechanical hoist on it. He had the truck 8 years put over 100,000 miles on that engine and tranny combo
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what motor do you have? 2wd or 4wd? 2dr or 4dr? short bed or long bed?



online chevy info states payload UP TO: 2,543lbs and trailers can go up to 13,400lbs.



and being a 1500, bet its a gasser so ya mpg SUCKS when hauling or towing lmao



my max trailer weight is over 17k pounds, and payload at 2,350lbs



PAYLOADs include everything from passenger/fuel/oil/coolant/etc. weights then remainder available weight is for what your are hauling in bed of truck.



Also theres the total combined weight of truck and trailer, mine is over 23k pounds at full capacity.


So gas mileage for most of the real world drivers who use trucks as a daily driver come out paying less for fuel throughout the whole year. Having gone from a diesel to gas my Ram 8-9 in town driving, my ford gasser same price of diesel in my town been averaging $1.75 higher winner Ford Hwy driving Ram 14-15 mpg Ford 13-14 winner Ford. Pulling Ram 9.5 Ford 7.5 diesel breaks even at best.
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