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Old 02-19-2024, 07:42 PM   #21
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washedNblood, when we had our Toyota Sienna minivan we towed a older Coleman popup (Coleman popups are no longer produced) that was similar in amenities to the current Rockwood 1940LTD popup. I agree with the other members that a minivan like the Odyssey is limited to a regular popup (not a high wall popup), an A-frame or a teardrop style trailer. If you've been camping in a tent up until now, at least a popup will get you off the ground and you'll have a propane heater and can option an air conditioner.

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Old 02-20-2024, 08:58 AM   #22
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lol, the sales people are still trying to say that it would be fine. The mechanic was like, “don’t bring my name up, but I wouldn’t do it”
My salesman told me for my 19FD, same trailer you were considering, that the Toyota 4Runner I was looking to buy would be fine. Glad I didn't listen to him and learned lots on this forum. My tongue weight is far above the typical 500 lb limit on most mid sized SUVs.
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Old 02-20-2024, 09:38 AM   #23
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Reputable dealer is important.

My first camper was a small (10 foot?) Coleman popup. Except I never took delivery of it! A couple days after I ordered it the dealer's owner called me and told me she cancelled the order and was mailing my check back to me. Reason? I didn't have a suitable tow vehicle (despite what her salesman told me) and she was unwilling to risk my safety -- and her reputation -- on this sale.

We still wanted that camper so I shopped for a better tow vehicle which turned out to have enough towing capacity for the biggest Coleman popup which was much nicer. Only missed one camping season.

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Old 02-20-2024, 01:04 PM   #24
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One thing I haven't seen mentioned.
While I expect there might be AWD versions of the Odyssey, chances are that this is a FWD vehicle. Front wheel drive is at a significant disadvantage when towing uphill...even with a good, well setup weight distribution hitch. (And let's not forget that a good WDH will add 60 to 70 pounds of ground hugging weight to the tongue weight...over and above the roughly 500 to 600# the E-Pro will apply.)

Camping suggests more primitive roads...often gravel roads...into the camping area. When climbing hills, FWD suffers from a significant traction deficit when climbing on loose gravel surfaces. Towing at or near max GVWR on the tow vehicle, and at or near max rated tow capacity for the Honda means that climbing a hill on a gravel road will be a challenge at best. At worst, you might not make it...period.

A couple years ago, a guy next to me recounted a harrowing story of towing his two-bed hybrid, perhaps 4500 pounds loaded, with his Dodge ProMaster FWD work van...same general idea as a Mercedes Sprinter. The road into the lakeside campground is 11 miles of washboard gravel. There are two long, steep uphills on the way in. He recounted having to back down the larger of the two and take a dangerously fast run at the hill for his second attempt...and barely making it. For reference, RWD pickups struggle on this hill because of the washboarding...if they are not loaded...due to axle tramp. When towing, I always selected 4WD-Auto, to engage 4WD when my rear tires would spin a bit.

This kind of challenging road into a camping area is not uncommon, especially out west. And the same would hold true if any road was wet or slick in any way, and you are climbing while towing.

So, before you buy, decide what type of camping you plan to do. If you have visions of boondocking (dispersed camping with no hookups), MANY such places can be miles down unmaintained or poorly maintained dirt roads. And the last bit getting into your favorite spot might be little more than an ATV trail...a "two-track" that's nothing more than a beaten path. If your Honda has the ground clearance to make the journey, you don't want a too-heavy trailer to stop you.

My son has a 2004 Honda Pilot...little more than an Odyssey that's jacked up a bit and includes AWD. Honda has a very nice transmission in this vehicle, so learn to shift manually, and downshift and hold lower gears both for climbing and descending. When climbing, selecting a low gear at "high" RPM keeps the power on tap and prevents the transmission from hunting and making numerous, difficult full-throttle downshifts. If you have a tachometer, use it to manage engine speed. You can cruise all day at 80% of redline...Honda engines are some of the best at high revs. On the downhills, preserve your brakes for emergencies by dropping down to the gear that also maintains about 80% of redline for engine braking. I do this in my Ram 1500 all through the Rockies. Many of the mountain passes are speed-limited to 35 MPH. My Ram will go all day in first gear at 35 MPH...redline is at 45 MPH in first. I save my brakes for emergencies.

I don't recall you saying where you are in the world, but camping is camping. Even in the East, you often find yourself climbing narrow two lanes through the woods to get "there." FWD is the worst option for towing, so adjust your expectations on your choice of camper to accommodate your expectations on WHERE you intend to camp. RV parks...well, OK, but why with something like a PUP? Boonies? You should go lighter and smaller so you can actually get there.

This is our idea of camping.
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Old 02-26-2024, 07:12 PM   #25
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Use gvwr of the trailer. That includes trailer cargo. Gvwr x 0.15 is max tongue. Add people and stuff and you must be at or below the vehicle cargo rating.
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Old 02-26-2024, 07:36 PM   #26
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Depending on the year of the Honda Odyssey you may be able to get a heavier tow kit from the Honda dealership. If it is a model that has the nine speed transmission with the 3.6 litre engine it can be rated to 5000 lbs with the installed transmission cooler. Before taking that for granted you do have to do your proper investigation on the Honda side. That might give a little more leeway when deciding on trailers to pull.
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Old 02-26-2024, 09:27 PM   #27
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lol, the sales people are still trying to say that it would be fine. The mechanic was like, “don’t bring my name up, but I wouldn’t do it”
It’s a good thing you aren’t looking at a5th wheel. Idiot sales person would tell you it was ok.
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Jimmoore, thanks for posting that video on the effects of tongue weight on driving. One of the best 1-minute lessons I've seen.
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