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04-12-2021, 02:59 PM
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Who put these "couches" together! Flagstaff Epro
Does anyone recognize the head on these apparently countersunk with locktite completely unnecessary security screws?
The couch is garbage but the framework and hardware useful but short of a sledge I can't break it down and I don't want to bend the hardware.
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04-12-2021, 03:06 PM
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98.26% of the screws holding the trailer together are that head. No there was not loctite used either .
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04-12-2021, 03:08 PM
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Can you PLEASE tell me what that head is and where I can buy a supply? Tyvm
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Originally Posted by Ken-m
98.26% of the screws holding the trailer together are that head. No there was not loctite used either .
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04-12-2021, 03:10 PM
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That looks like a Robertson headed screw frequently used in Canada. Should be available at Home Depot, Lowes
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04-12-2021, 03:12 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigfeet
That looks like a Robertson headed screw frequently used in Canada.
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Thanks so very much. FRUSTRATED!! If that is what's holding the rig together I need a BIG box of them!
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04-12-2021, 03:16 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigfeet
That looks like a Robertson headed screw frequently used in Canada. Should be available at Home Depot, Lowes
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Ok, from this photo my guess is "hybrid" Robertson. Opinion? 
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04-12-2021, 03:18 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JAChandler
Thanks so very much. FRUSTRATED!! If that is what's holding the rig together I need a BIG box of them!
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that screw is mainly what is used to put trailers together. it is a Robertson head. keep a screwdriver/bit in your camper to fix things along the way. you *can* use a square head bit in a pinch, but they tend to cam out and dont fit the head as well.
the robertson head screws have a very slight taper to them that the square do not.
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04-12-2021, 03:30 PM
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So it's a straight square drive Robertson not a hybrid ? Please see photo. 
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04-12-2021, 03:38 PM
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Pickin', Campin', Mason
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JAChandler
So it's a straight square drive Robertson not a hybrid ? Please see photo.
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The screw on the left in your original photo is a hybrid.
Either a #2 Phillips bit or a Robertson (square) bit will remove it.
The Phillips bit may strip out if it is really tight.
The screw on the right in your original photo is a Robertson (square) only.
They are not 'security' screws and have been very commonly used (not only in the R/V industry) for years.
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04-12-2021, 03:59 PM
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Never had the "pleasure," lmao was about to get out the sledge!
Thanks all very much.
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04-12-2021, 04:00 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JAChandler
Never had the "pleasure," lmao was about to get out the sledge!
Thanks all very much.
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Oh one other thing Robertson #1 or #2 or both?
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04-12-2021, 04:22 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JAChandler
Oh one other thing Robertson #1 or #2 or both?
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There’s actually #1, #2, #3.......small (green handle), medium (red handle) and large (black handle)
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04-12-2021, 04:26 PM
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Oh goodie! [emoji19][emoji24]
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Originally Posted by kenandterry
There’s actually #1, #2, #3.......small (green handle), medium (red handle) and large (black handle)
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04-12-2021, 04:52 PM
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Pickin', Campin', Mason
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JAChandler
Oh one other thing Robertson #1 or #2 or both?
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Most are #2.
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04-13-2021, 01:45 PM
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The Robertson screw driver (sometimes referred as a square head screw driver) and the screws were developed by a "Mr. Robertson" here in Canada and were later copied and distributed in the USA as such. They are a look a like but totally different---originals were copy righted!!!. The Canadian bit will NOT fit the American screw properly---will strip AND vice versa!!! Found out the hard way----bought a big box of them one year in the US to build a deck back in Canada.....Had to wait until the following year to get the proper bit in the US.....
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04-13-2021, 01:47 PM
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Yep. We will see what Amazon provides. God help us all! [emoji19]
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04-13-2021, 04:46 PM
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Mine were all regular square drive heads. Nothing special. Theywork great and seldom strip.
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04-13-2021, 07:13 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JAChandler
Yep. We will see what Amazon provides. God help us all! [emoji19]
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Once you get the right bit (#2) you will love them. Easier to install/remove than a Phillips.
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04-29-2021, 08:03 PM
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Any information about reupholstering the couch. Can it be removed thru the door, or does the work need to be done in the RV. I just bought from a neighbor, 2014 FR Scottsdale 26 ft super lite. Thanks
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04-29-2021, 08:52 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rumo
Any information about reupholstering the couch. Can it be removed thru the door, or does the work need to be done in the RV. I just bought from a neighbor, 2014 FR Scottsdale 26 ft super lite. Thanks
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FR doesn't have a brand called "Scottsdale". Do you mean Flagstaff or Rockwood?
Also the model number is more helpful than how long it is. Some brands have a number of different models that are 26ft long.
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