CCC Question

Destiny · 03-30-2019, 12:49 PM

Hello all! I am looking to buy a travel trailer, it will be with my husband and our 2 dogs. We were really excited about the Geo Pro specifically the G19QB. We are planning to do a lot of boondocking and it seems that the Geo Pro would be perfect for us. We like the higher clearance, solar panels, and most of all the fact that it is light weight and short in length. However, we noticed today that the CCC is pretty low, at 769lbs. Once the tanks are full with water(307lbs), plus the 2 20lb propane tanks, it only leaves 422lbs for our selves and our stuff. Both me and my husband are on the heavier side, about 450lbs together. Plus our 2 dogs, 50lbs and 60lbs. And ALL of our stuff. I guess my question is, does the CCC include our weight as well? If we had the extra 450lbs for our stuff it would be no problem. I think our weight would in fact count though, because the GVWR is defined by how much weight the trailer can safely hold in all... right?

Please let me know if I am making any sense. I feel kinda crazy right now lol.
If I am right and the CCC includes our weight, how does anyone safely stay in this? It would have to be just one person with a small amount of stuff.

formerFR · 03-30-2019, 12:52 PM

CCC would not include 'people', since you can't ride along in the trailer while it's being towed : _

most of that is in regards to 'towing' weight, not weight while you are camping...

Destiny · 03-30-2019, 01:07 PM

So the GVWR only applies when towing? I thought it would apply to the frame work or trailer bed and how much weight could safely be put on it with out damaging it. I noticed that travel trailers with 2 axles had significantly more CCC than the ones with just 1 axle.

Destiny · 03-30-2019, 01:15 PM

Also, just found this "Starting with the GVWR , first subtract the UVW, then subtract the weight of a full tank of water including water heater capacity, a full tank of propane, and the hypothetical weight of passengers—known as the Sleeping Capacity Weight Rating (SCWR)."

Here is the link to the site: How Much Stuff Can You Carry?

Im very confused about all this because on the Rockwood website they do not mention a SCWR at all.

formerFR · 03-30-2019, 01:24 PM

weight when traveling is a whole different ball game, than weight while parked...

it's not just about the frame, it's about the tires and suspension... that's not an issue when parked.

emm-dee · 03-30-2019, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by formerFR

weight when traveling is a whole different ball game, than weight while parked...

it's not just about the frame, it's about the tires and suspension... that's not an issue when parked.

Where did you come up with that BS. That’s like saying max allowable gross weight increases when driving into a 40 knot headwind because the extra airflow under the trailer reduces the weight on the springs and tires.

Placarded gross weight is gross weight. Period.

lesptr · 03-30-2019, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by emm-dee

Where did you come up with that BS. That’s like saying max allowable gross weight increases when driving into a 40 knot headwind because the extra airflow under the trailer reduces the weight on the springs and tires.

Placarded gross weight is gross weight. Period.

Spoken like an aviator. And correct too.

**ependydad** · 03-31-2019, 01:32 AM

For a trailer, you only need to be concerned with the GVWR while it’s going down the highway. You don’t want to load a buffalo or herd of cattle in while parked, but extra people weight don’t matter.

Anything that you read otherwise is typically regarding motorhomes which ARE carrying people while rolling down the road,

rockfordroo · 03-31-2019, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by ependydad

For a trailer, you only need to be concerned with the GVWR while it’s going down the highway. You don’t want to load a buffalo or herd of cattle in while parked, but extra people weight don’t matter.

Anything that you read otherwise is typically regarding motorhomes which ARE carrying people while rolling down the road,

X2. GVWR has to include a certain amount of assumed dynamic loads while rolling down the highway to deal with potholes and bumps in the road. Parked RV's don't undergo dynamic loads, so you've got margin for extra people/weight when parked. I wouldn't sweat it.

emm-dee · 03-31-2019, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by rockfordroo

X2. GVWR has to include a certain amount of assumed dynamic loads while rolling down the highway to deal with potholes and bumps in the road. Parked RV's don't undergo dynamic loads, so you've got margin for extra people/weight when parked. I wouldn't sweat it.

Exactly how much margin. 20 pounds, 100 pounds, 500, pounds, or even 1500 pounds? Somewhere along the line damage will happen but you won’t know what happened until you are rolling alony at 65 mph.

rockfordroo · 03-31-2019, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by emm-dee

Exactly how much margin. 20 pounds, 100 pounds, 500, pounds, or even 1500 pounds? Somewhere along the line damage will happen but you won’t know what happened until you are rolling alony at 65 mph.

Well, dynamic loads can be quite large. Drop something fairly light on your foot and you'll get an idea of how large dynamic loads can be. Certainly more than 20 or 100 lbs for a 4000 lb RV. Probably more than 500 lbs too. But of course, we don't really know what the manufacturer assumes. But lots of campers invite all their camping buddies over while parked and have parties in their rigs without issue, so I'd say a 4 or 5 extra people isn't going to hurt anything.

koller1509 · 03-31-2019, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Destiny

So the GVWR only applies when towing? I thought it would apply to the frame work or trailer bed and how much weight could safely be put on it with out damaging it. I noticed that travel trailers with 2 axles had significantly more CCC than the ones with just 1 axle.

You are confusing the numbers, CCC is the amount of cargo you can put in the trailer including water, battery and propane. You typically do not include people in this calculation. GVWR is the total weight of everything plus the trailer, in theory if you take the dry weight plus the CCC it should equal the GVWR but it rarely does. GVWR is a number that is mainly used by agencies to determine weight classes for registration.

Destiny · 03-31-2019, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by rockfordroo

Well, dynamic loads can be quite large. Drop something fairly light on your foot and you'll get an idea of how large dynamic loads can be. Certainly more than 20 or 100 lbs for a 4000 lb RV. Probably more than 500 lbs too. But of course, we don't really know what the manufacturer assumes. But lots of campers invite all their camping buddies over while parked and have parties in their rigs without issue, so I'd say a 4 or 5 extra people isn't going to hurt anything.

It wouldn't be just a party on the weekends or every one in a while. We would be staying in this fulltime. I ran the numbers and we would be about 450lbs over the GVWR on a constant biases while parked. Do you think that's an okay margin? We really like this trailer but safety is our first concern.

koller1509 · 03-31-2019, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Destiny

It wouldn't be just a party on the weekends or every one in a while. We would be staying in this fulltime. I ran the numbers and we would be about 450lbs over the GVWR on a constant biases while parked. Do you think that's an okay margin? We really like this trailer but safety is our first concern.

You only include people in the GVWR if it's a Motor Home, the GVWR is calculated for a maximum trailer weight as it goes down the road, you aren't riding in the trailer as it goes down the road so your weight doesn't apply. As I stated in my first post, GVWR is more for the agencies for registration. If your concerned about the weight, check the axle and tire ratings on the trailer. If they are within the GVWR then you should be fine. FYI- the published weights of most trailers differ from the actual weight.

Reverse_snowbird · 03-31-2019, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Destiny

However, we noticed today that the CCC is pretty low, at 769lbs. Once the tanks are full with water(307lbs), plus the 2 20lb propane tanks it only leaves 422lbs for our selves and our stuff.
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As others have said, that 422 lbs is what you can put in it for towing. You can incease that by traveling with empty tanks and finding a place to add water to your fresh water tank when you get close to your destination.

If it's your first trailer, you need to be aware of how you store items in the trailer when you're towing. Distribute the weight as evenly as you can. Your biggest weight might be the dog food.

CincyGus · 03-31-2019, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Destiny

It wouldn't be just a party on the weekends or every one in a while. We would be staying in this fulltime. I ran the numbers and we would be about 450lbs over the GVWR on a constant biases while parked. Do you think that's an okay margin? We really like this trailer but safety is our first concern.

I agree with all those saying your fine. Those calculations are based on traveling weight while towing which would not include you and family. As mentioned, if your going to be full timing in it and carrying more than a typical weekend camping family, you can travel with empty water tanks until you arrive or get close to the campground.

rockfordroo · 03-31-2019, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Destiny

It wouldn't be just a party on the weekends or every one in a while. We would be staying in this fulltime. I ran the numbers and we would be about 450lbs over the GVWR on a constant biases while parked. Do you think that's an okay margin? We really like this trailer but safety is our first concern.

You'll be fine. CCC = CARGO carrying capacity. It doesn't include people.

Load it up to the GVWR (Dry + CCC) for down the road. Add people in the camp ground. You'll be just fine.

**ependydad** · 03-31-2019, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Destiny

It wouldn't be just a party on the weekends or every one in a while. We would be staying in this fulltime. I ran the numbers and we would be about 450lbs over the GVWR on a constant biases while parked. Do you think that's an okay margin? We really like this trailer but safety is our first concern.

Ignoring the people weight side of the coin, I’d venture to guess this rig doesn’t have enough CCC if you’re fulltiming andnits truly carrying everything you own.

As fulltimers, you’ll be running heavier than the average bear.

NJKris · 04-01-2019, 07:54 AM

If the weight limit included while parked, there would never be anymore RV shows! I think my little GeoPro (the one on display actually) had an average of 5 people standing around in it any given moment during the show.

dustman_stx · 04-01-2019, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by NJKris

If the weight limit included while parked, there would never be anymore RV shows! I think my little GeoPro (the one on display actually) had an average of 5 people standing around in it any given moment during the show.

True. And what about the "Sleeps 10" bunkhouses out there. Very common for them to have less than 1500 CCC at dry weight. As others have stated, stresses seen while going down the road are completely different than when sitting still. Not to mention, most of the time you have stabilizers down when camping which gives you additional contact points at the frame to distribute the weight. As ependydad pointed out- your issue will be in not going over GVWR while traveling.

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