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Old 03-05-2020, 12:17 AM   #1
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Weíre planning on getting the 19FBS and tow it with a 2019 Subaru Ascent, 5000 lbs tow capacity with 500 tongue weight. Should I have any concerns if carefully loaded?
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Old 03-05-2020, 12:25 AM   #2
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You should be concerned with the actual loaded tongue weight.
Since it's a single axle trailer, it'll have a heavier loaded tongue weight than a comparable tandem axle trailer.
The 413lbs number is fictional, since it doesn't account for batteries, options, water and cargo. A trailer like this one, can easily have a real world tongue weight over 500lbs.
Plus you'll need a WDH.
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Old 03-05-2020, 08:39 AM   #3
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What Dan said. Don't forget the WDH itself can be quite heavy, mine is 100 lbs.
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Tow capacity is a sales/marketing game. You need to check the cargo capacity on the drivers door jamb. Your actual hitch weight will be closer to 550lbs. Add that plus weight of WDH (100lbs) and any cargo and passengers in TV and it should be under the cargo capacity. Unless your TV has a factory installed tow package ( not just hitch and electric) you may need to add an aux trans cooler.
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Thanks. I have a factory installed hitch. Based on an Ascent forum, a weight distribution hitch is not recommended. I’ll need to do some balancing. TV load will be pretty light as we don’t travel with much and just me, wife and dog.
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On flat ground you might be ok. You'll regret it the first time you try to tow uphill.

I started with a Toyota Tacoma and learned the first time I towed it that it wasn't enough when trying to climb and bought a Tundra.

Towing is one thing, towing and feeling comfortable doing it is another.
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Thanks. Got some thinking to do
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The GVW on the 19FBS is around 4400 lbs. Your hitch weight could easily exceed 600 lbs.
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I think you mean GVWR, rather than GVW. But, with small 2 axles and anything with 1 axle, the GVW will quickly approach the GVWR (~4,400 lbs in this case). Generally speaking, assume that you'll be at least 1,200 lbs over a trailer's listed dry weight or the GVWR, whichever is smaller.

After factory options, dealer installed options, batteries, cookware, food, drinks, clothes, other housewares, leveling gear, tools, and so on, there will be at least 1,200 lbs. in excess of the fictional, mythical dry weight.

Then, take around 13% of that number to estimate your tongue weight.

Then, most people will be 600 - 800 lbs in the actual vehicle. Just total up the clothed weights of occupants, hitches, wood, bikes, gear, clothes, electronics, aftermarket vehicle options, and so on. Usually this falls in the 600 - 800 lb range. Will be less for a tiny retired couple ... would be more if the Klumps went on a family excursion.

Run the numbers with the fairly simple math. 1,100 lbs is a fairly common bare minimum for payload need for a small travel trailer with a lightly loaded car (2 people). If you don't have that capacity, then I'd recommend looking at popup trailers (including a-frames).
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I tow a 19QB with a Chevy Colorado. I have to use a WDH because the tongue weight is so high. I have some pics of my truck with and without the WDH. I'll see if I can dig them up and post. My towing capacity on the truck is 7000 lbs.
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Thanks. I have a factory installed hitch. Based on an Ascent forum, a weight distribution hitch is not recommended. Iíll need to do some balancing. TV load will be pretty light as we donít travel with much and just me, wife and dog.
You have a factory installed hitch RECEIVER. There's no way you should be towing that trailer, without a weight distribution hitch.
If you had a 1/2 ton or bigger tow vehicle, then you could get away without a WDH.
Still would need sway control.
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This was my recent rig:



192RBS. 4400 Lbs. Dry, 4800 road ready. Tow vehicle 2014 Acura MDX rated for 5000 Lbs. towing. Blue Ox WDH. Pretty close specs to yours.

Did a 7500 mile trip from FL to the West and back. Very scary. The trailer pushed the SUV around a lot because of the independent rear suspension. In stronger cross winds I had to drop the speed to between 50 and 55 MPH. Not fun on Colorado Interstates with an 80 MPH speed limit and Semis passing me going 30 MPH faster.

If you are only planning local trips, it would probably work for you. Since we like to travel far and wide, we sold the trailer when we came back.
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