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07-04-2013, 09:43 PM
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New Rig, 5er Tips for Evolution/Short Box Ford King Ranch
Hello all,
We have just traded our 2703SS for a 8289WS Diamond. Bought Reese elite hitch and have a 5 1/2 ft box so I am using the Revolution. Towed lots of things in the past and have a large straight truck licence. What should be careful with a fifth wheel vs a TT, knowing the 2703SS is a real pain to tow.
Thanks everyone.. Hope to hit the road on the 11th when we take delivery.
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07-04-2013, 10:05 PM
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Hope you have the max payload package as well.
That fifth will tow like a dream, so no worries there.
I had a friend tow my fifth with his EcoBeast and it handled it very well. And many on this site have said they towed similar rigs through the mountains with ease, although I suspect they may have been fibbing, just a tad.
I think you will be quite pleased.
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07-04-2013, 10:27 PM
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The King Ranch in Canada has a 7650 GVWR rating with a Locking 3.73 and when checked the truck can haul the trailer with 1800 lbs to spare fully loaded. Packages same to have different names but same towing capacity based upon the door post sticker. 1 have 20 inch wheels and Perelli tires I will switch out to heavier rating. The integral sway control kept the 2703SS straight on several trips this year.
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07-04-2013, 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by B and B
The King Ranch in Canada has a 7650 GVWR rating with a Locking 3.73 and when checked the truck can haul the trailer with 1800 lbs to spare fully loaded. Packages same to have different names but same towing capacity based upon the door post sticker. 1 have 20 inch wheels and Perelli tires I will switch out to heavier rating. The integral sway control kept the 2703SS straight on several trips this year.
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Yes, you will want really good tires under your truck. That's a lightweight camper, but it ain't that light!
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07-05-2013, 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by B and B
The King Ranch in Canada has a 7650 GVWR rating with a Locking 3.73 and when checked the truck can haul the trailer with 1800 lbs to spare fully loaded. Packages same to have different names but same towing capacity based upon the door post sticker. 1 have 20 inch wheels and Perelli tires I will switch out to heavier rating. The integral sway control kept the 2703SS straight on several trips this year.
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Bakken is referring to the HD Payload option which increases the truck's GVWR to 8200 lbs and also includes LT tires...I believe this option isn't available with the King Ranch trim level.
You'll be surprised how much better towing is with a 5th wheel compared to a TT. There are a few differences with tracking in turns and backing up, but you'll soon figure it out.
Dave
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07-05-2013, 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Dave_Monica
Bakken is referring to the HD Payload option which increases the truck's GVWR to 8200 lbs and also includes LT tires...I believe this option isn't available with the King Ranch trim level.
You'll be surprised how much better towing is with a 5th wheel compared to a TT. There are a few differences with tracking in turns and backing up, but you'll soon figure it out.
Dave
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Thanks for the clarification Dave.
That is what my friend's EcoBeast had, and like I say, it handled my fifth very, very well. And it didn't ride like a wagon like my old diesel!
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07-05-2013, 09:53 AM
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that trailer has a 1500plus pin weight empty, add batteries, propane, and stuff including the 5er hitch and you will now be looking at over 2k or real close to that on the axle of the truck.. hope it does not sag too much
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07-05-2013, 11:19 PM
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Hello ,
RGAWR is 4050, Max Tow is 11,200, GVWR is 7,650, GCWR 17,200, GTW 9,350 Gives me a Max 9,550 Tow weight and 2,388 King pin weight. If the add in cargo and deduct this I am still with my axle rating. The King Ranch is not available with max payload but a 7650 GVWR package so that is were I get my margin from for the trailer, cargo and people in the truck. Changin Gears was used to calculate.
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07-06-2013, 10:35 AM
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#2300 lb king pin weight seem like a lot for a 1/2 ton, I am sitting just a little over that on my truck and I added airbags to level her out and get rid of the bucking.. remember when you are driving down the road that trailer will be bouncing and putting lots more pressure on the axle.. I fill my bags to 65psi and on some expansion joints I can watch the gauge go to 100psi or higher. my RGAWR is 6084lbs and I am right at that limit with 2400lbs pin weight. and I have a 11.5 axle. get her weighed and see what is actually on the axles, my coach says 1675 pin and 10,550 on a brochure but the yellow sticker says 11.5. advertised weights are never correct..
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07-06-2013, 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by B and B
RGAWR is 4050, Max Tow is 11,200, GVWR is 7,650, GCWR 17,200, GTW 9,350 Gives me a Max 9,550 Tow weight and 2,388 King pin weight. If the add in cargo and deduct this I am still with my axle rating. The King Ranch is not available with max payload but a 7650 GVWR package so that is were I get my margin from for the trailer, cargo and people in the truck. Changin Gears was used to calculate.
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Weighing your set-up is always eye-opening. If the calculation determines a max pin weight of 2388 lb, it assumes that the truck's curb weight is 5262 lb (7650 - 2388)...I think you'll find that the truck weighs well north of 6000 lb. What does the door pillar sticker say for payload?
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07-06-2013, 02:39 PM
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Dave,
I was at the dealer today and we Transferred all of our items to the new unit from the old TT. The dealer had mentioned we travel very light and not too much crap. With all the room we may be adding soon.
We can not wait to get out next weekend for a test run.
Payload on the F 150 is 7650. I will be weighing everything when we take delivery on Wednesday. I did weigh the truck with out the Cap dry, just me it was under 5500 if i use this and look at pin weight dry of 1524 I an near the limit. The tires are P rating and as soon as i put LT rated tires I will get the 8200 rating and get my margin for safety and back.
Brian
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07-06-2013, 03:38 PM
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??? how is e rated tires going to get you 8200 rating back when the truck is only rated for 7650
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07-06-2013, 06:13 PM
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Payload on the F 150 is 7650. I will be weighing everything when we take delivery on Wednesday. I did weigh the truck with out the Cap dry, just me it was under 5500 if i use this and look at pin weight dry of 1524 I an near the limit. The tires are P rating and as soon as i put LT rated tires I will get the 8200 rating and get my margin for safety and back.
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There should be a payload number passengers and cargo listed on the tire size/pressure sticker on the door jam. That's the maximum payload with full fuel and a 150# driver.
The max payload option with a GVWR of 8200 lb is more than LT load range E tires...it also includes an upgraded rear diff., heavier spring pack and 7 stud hubs. The RAWR is 4800 lbs.
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07-06-2013, 06:26 PM
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#2300 lb king pin weight seem like a lot for a 1/2 ton..
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Maybe for a Chevy!
But the OP is driving a Ford EcoBeast!
He is well within his limits with this fifth wheel.
And his camper doesn't have a 2300 lb king pin weight, that is his max.
That true pin weight will probably not be much more than 1800 lbs.
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07-06-2013, 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by bakken
Maybe for a Chevy!
But the OP is driving a Ford EcoBeast!
He is well within his limits with this fifth wheel.
And his camper doesn't have a 2300 lb king pin weight, that is his max.
That true pin weight will probably not be much more than 1800 lbs.
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we are not saying that it will not pull it, but the trailer is 1500 pin from the factory , add propane, batteries, mats, chairs, hitch, wood, and anything else in front of the axles all add up to pin weight, mine sits at 1600 and with everything in the bed and trailer I sit around 2400 pin and I have a 3/4 ton with heavier spring pack, larger axle, e rated tires and 8lug rims anything more and I would be over. a 9.75 axle is a lot smaller then a 11.5
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07-06-2013, 10:29 PM
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Well, like I said before, my friend's EcoBoost pulled my camper, which is very similar to the OP's, and my fifth was fully loaded. And he pulled it with ease. And whatever my pin weight is, his truck didn't drop any more than my 3/4 ton.
So which is a better comparison, my camper which is very similar, or a completely different one?
Actual experience, or conjecture?
I think I know which the OP might choose.
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07-07-2013, 10:50 AM
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You entered something wrong into changing gears. Get the payload number off the sticker on your truck's driver side door panel. It is not 7650 as you have stated.
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07-07-2013, 11:32 AM
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You entered something wrong into changing gears. Get the payload number off the sticker on your truck's driver side door panel. It is not 7650 as you have stated.
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Hello,
Here is the door post sticker. My towing capacity as per ford invoice and build and price is 11,200 for super crew.
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07-07-2013, 12:02 PM
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You don't have a second sticker specifying maximum payload?
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07-07-2013, 11:15 PM
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You don't have a second sticker specifying maximum payload?
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I have not found it but Ford Specification state 1900 lbs max payload.
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