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08-26-2017, 05:46 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2017
Posts: 150
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New to camping with TT
Hello to everyone! I think this forum has been a major help to the wife and I! I used to camp a lot when I was a kid with my folks! We had shell tops truck mounted campers trailers an Mini motorhome and so forth! But here now some 40+ years later it's all on me! So; it's a new learning curve! We currently have a 2018 Rockwood mini lite 2509S ordered! We are excited as heck to be getting it! It's been four weeks since we've ordered it! We was wondering if anybody else had any issues with the freshwater tank on the new year models so far? I'm currently working with my salesperson An the dealer to deal with this issue before I take delivery if it still exists! We want to thank everyone for sharing their good and bad experiences! One thing I truly remember from being a kid! That the camping world shares good bad and indifferent experiences freely amongst each other! We wish the world was a lot more like the people who camp! We just hope and pray it comes in so we can take it on its maiden voyage before winter gets here! Happy and safe camping to you all! PS the wife and I both wish they would change over from using those old China bombs and start putting American-made tires on them! We feel it's worth the added expense at purchase time! Than after you experience a blown tire!
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08-26-2017, 05:54 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Lakeside mountains, Calif
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We have an older Mini Light and have had no problems with the fresh water tank.
Haven't heard -- are some having problems?
Pretty nice little rig for the money.
M-Bob
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08-26-2017, 05:58 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: Minnesota ( wishing we were boondocking in the New York Catskills )
Posts: 567
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Hey Now, Welcome and Congrats on getting back into it !!!
Camp Driveway is your friend ... figure things out there before that first run to the field or forest ... eazy peazy whatever you need is right there in the house or garage !
Then get out there and
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Fur Babies - Xandra Sophia (GSD) and Neo (Min-Pin Mutt who thinks he is a cat)
2015 Tracer Air 235 (previous 1994 Veri-Lite 1130 TC)
1998 Dodge Ram 2500 Quad Cab - 360 - 46RE (Built)
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08-26-2017, 06:08 PM
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PhD, Common Sense
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Fairborn, OH
Posts: 1,384
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Welcome.
Yes. Everyone should camp. There is something about a spartan lifestyle, even for just a few days, that builds a dependence on each other and that, in turn, makes us all just a little bit better people.
Can't help you with the water tank issue.
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08-26-2017, 06:09 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2017
Posts: 150
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Mountainmanbob and Jeff_and_Abby thanks for your replies so soon!!!! As far as the freshwater tanks go I didn't know anything about them until I read this forum seems to be a major problem there mountain man Bob! And thank you Jeff and Abby we just need to get away from all the hustle and bustle of work living in town just need to get back to B us in the peace and quiet of the great outdoors! And get to see some of the most beautiful country in the world! The wife and I still feel and believe that the Rockwood series is the best built campers out on the market! The wife and I have been doing our homework and researching this for quite a while now! From the amenities to the Craftsmanship in the quality inside and out! Hands down the best! As usual be safe happy camping enjoy life it's way too short!
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08-26-2017, 08:49 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2017
Posts: 150
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Quote:
Originally Posted by eye95
Welcome.
Yes. Everyone should camp. There is something about a spartan lifestyle, even for just a few days, that builds a dependence on each other and that, in turn, makes us all just a little bit better people.
Can't help you with the water tank issue.
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So true Eye95! It's our version of the tiny house living!!!
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08-27-2017, 12:34 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2016
Posts: 267
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Congratulations on your new Rockwood! You will have so much fun! Enjoy!
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08-27-2017, 01:51 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 324
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If your dealer will reinforce your water tank as part of your deal, I'd do it in a heartbeat!! We see lots of posts about them falling out, bulging enough to distort the floor and bending the supports. We've not had any problems with 2 Roos and our new 2502KS water tanks, but do we think/worry about it? Yes. The Mini has a closed underbelly so we can't look at it to see if there could be/is anything worrisome. We've talked about going to our local welder and have them reinforce just for peace of mind. We'd have to deal with sealing up the belly cover too. Have fun with your new rig!! We've had troubles but all is fixed and we're happily planning our winter trips somewhere southwest.
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08-27-2017, 03:50 PM
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Member
Join Date: Jan 2017
Posts: 48
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Tires
stlramper,
If you want to keep your new camper: out of the shop, or temporarily stranded along the interstate, then get rid of the ST tires soon. Our travel partners, on their 5th trip with a new camper, had Castle Rock tires. I had the same size and make tires on my new unit as well. This spring they lost a tire, did +$800 worth of damage. We both thought we could go ~two years and be OK on the CR's. WE both were OCD about tire care, jumping through the hoops we thought would keep us safe, but what I learned is there is no such thing as safe with ST's. Now we both have new LT tires on our RV's. Consider this, it clearly states on each sidewall of an ST tire that they can ONLY be used in trailer applications. Where as an LT or even P rated tire can be put anywhere to be used. Why ? Because LT / P tires are repeatedly tested and stressed to make them safe and strong. ST's do not have go through this, therefore we have what we have for our RV's. Send the message that RVers will no longer jump through hoops and buy junk that fails long before it ever wears out. Do some research yourself, check the facts not the hype of what you can and cannot do. Consider Nokian tires from Discount Tire, especially if you have 15" wheels. Hope you have many years of enjoyment out of the new unit.
cseeger22
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08-27-2017, 04:35 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2016
Posts: 5,033
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I have also read the stories about FW tanks falling out of units. Was at the FRIR in Goshen and went on the Flagstaff/Rockwood plant tour. At the beginning of the tour I noticed that the frames are now built with supports that go under the various tanks. I also asked about the issue and our tour guide admitted that there were issues with that problem in the past and for the last couple of years, all units produced had the additional tank supports.
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I am starting to think, that I will never be old enough--------to know better.
Tolerance will reach such a level that intelligent people will be banned from thinking so as not to offend the imbeciles. Fyodor Mikhailovich Dostoevsky, Russian Novelist
S.E. Mich. Flagstaff 26FKWS / 2022 F-150 3.5 EcoBoost SCrew Propride
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08-27-2017, 04:41 PM
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Canadian Member
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Eastern GTA, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 6,229
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Welcome to the forum, stlramper. I know there are threads here about FW tanks but you need to realize that most folks come to these forums with problems they want help with. It would be an extreme exaggeration to suggest they all have Fw tank problems. Same thing with tires.
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Originally Posted by cseeger22
stlramper,
If you want to keep your new camper: out of the shop, or temporarily stranded along the interstate, then get rid of the ST tires soon. Our travel partners, on their 5th trip with a new camper, had Castle Rock tires. I had the same size and make tires on my new unit as well. This spring they lost a tire, did +$800 worth of damage. We both thought we could go ~two years and be OK on the CR's. WE both were OCD about tire care, jumping through the hoops we thought would keep us safe, but what I learned is there is no such thing as safe with ST's. Now we both have new LT tires on our RV's. Consider this, it clearly states on each sidewall of an ST tire that they can ONLY be used in trailer applications. Where as an LT or even P rated tire can be put anywhere to be used. Why ? Because LT / P tires are repeatedly tested and stressed to make them safe and strong. ST's do not have go through this, therefore we have what we have for our RV's. Send the message that RVers will no longer jump through hoops and buy junk that fails long before it ever wears out. Do some research yourself, check the facts not the hype of what you can and cannot do. Consider Nokian tires from Discount Tire, especially if you have 15" wheels. Hope you have many years of enjoyment out of the new unit.
cseeger22
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I have to strongly disagree with the statement that there are no safe ST tires. I have no doubt there are poor quality ST tires but I also know there are good quality ST tires. I also know that only ST tires (in the 15" size) are designed for use on trailers. LT tires are not. They may work but they don't have the same weight ratings for the same tire and LT tires are not designed to handle the twisting that trailer tires experience. I put Maxxis M8008 tires on my current travel trailer. They have an excellent reputation after many years of production. The newer Goodyear tires are made in the USA but they haven't been in production for more than a couple years at this point. So, if you want to replace the OEM tires, don't discount all ST tires.
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08-28-2017, 12:26 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 840
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stlramper, welcome back to the camping universe. You will get excellent advice from the correspondents on this site. In nearly 40 years of RV camping we have only had tire trouble with the junk supplied from China as OEM tires. Concur with the report that ST tires are not required to meet the standards of Light Truck or Passenger car tires. I have always preferred Michelin tires for all my vehicles, and was disappointed when I found out they no longer manufacture trailer tires. I have gone back to Goodyear Marathon trailers for my trailer, and so far so good. But...I would recommend you investigate the possibility of replacing your OEM tires with an equivalent size/rated Michelin LT.
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08-28-2017, 06:22 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2017
Posts: 150
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DMMILLER55
If your dealer will reinforce your water tank as part of your deal, I'd do it in a heartbeat!! We see lots of posts about them falling out, bulging enough to distort the floor and bending the supports. We've not had any problems with 2 Roos and our new 2502KS water tanks, but do we think/worry about it? Yes. The Mini has a closed underbelly so we can't look at it to see if there could be/is anything worrisome. We've talked about going to our local welder and have them reinforce just for peace of mind. We'd have to deal with sealing up the belly cover too. Have fun with your new rig!! We've had troubles but all is fixed and we're happily planning our winter trips somewhere southwest.
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Thanks so much I am working with them on that as we speak! They said they would take care of that if that is the situation when the trailer arrives at the dealership!
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08-28-2017, 06:23 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2017
Posts: 150
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jakie-Boy
stlramper, welcome back to the camping universe. You will get excellent advice from the correspondents on this site. In nearly 40 years of RV camping we have only had tire trouble with the junk supplied from China as OEM tires. Concur with the report that ST tires are not required to meet the standards of Light Truck or Passenger car tires. I have always preferred Michelin tires for all my vehicles, and was disappointed when I found out they no longer manufacture trailer tires. I have gone back to Goodyear Marathon trailers for my trailer, and so far so good. But...I would recommend you investigate the possibility of replacing your OEM tires with an equivalent size/rated Michelin LT.
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Thanks so much I am considering that as my resolve when I get my trailer back home safely!
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08-28-2017, 06:24 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2017
Posts: 150
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Quote:
Originally Posted by itat
Welcome to the forum, stlramper. I know there are threads here about FW tanks but you need to realize that most folks come to these forums with problems they want help with. It would be an extreme exaggeration to suggest they all have Fw tank problems. Same thing with tires.
I have to strongly disagree with the statement that there are no safe ST tires. I have no doubt there are poor quality ST tires but I also know there are good quality ST tires. I also know that only ST tires (in the 15" size) are designed for use on trailers. LT tires are not. They may work but they don't have the same weight ratings for the same tire and LT tires are not designed to handle the twisting that trailer tires experience. I put Maxxis M8008 tires on my current travel trailer. They have an excellent reputation after many years of production. The newer Goodyear tires are made in the USA but they haven't been in production for more than a couple years at this point. So, if you want to replace the OEM tires, don't discount all ST tires.
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I will consider every option but I still am leaning towards American-made tires !!!
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08-28-2017, 06:26 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2017
Posts: 150
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Originally Posted by SailorSam20500
I have also read the stories about FW tanks falling out of units. Was at the FRIR in Goshen and went on the Flagstaff/Rockwood plant tour. At the beginning of the tour I noticed that the frames are now built with supports that go under the various tanks. I also asked about the issue and our tour guide admitted that there were issues with that problem in the past and for the last couple of years, all units produced had the additional tank supports.
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Thanks so much for the word! I truly hope they take care of it!
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08-28-2017, 06:27 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2017
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jakie-Boy
stlramper, welcome back to the camping universe. You will get excellent advice from the correspondents on this site. In nearly 40 years of RV camping we have only had tire trouble with the junk supplied from China as OEM tires. Concur with the report that ST tires are not required to meet the standards of Light Truck or Passenger car tires. I have always preferred Michelin tires for all my vehicles, and was disappointed when I found out they no longer manufacture trailer tires. I have gone back to Goodyear Marathon trailers for my trailer, and so far so good. But...I would recommend you investigate the possibility of replacing your OEM tires with an equivalent size/rated Michelin LT.
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Will consider that strongly and thank you very much!
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08-28-2017, 06:28 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2017
Posts: 150
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Quote:
Originally Posted by itat
Welcome to the forum, stlramper. I know there are threads here about FW tanks but you need to realize that most folks come to these forums with problems they want help with. It would be an extreme exaggeration to suggest they all have Fw tank problems. Same thing with tires.
I have to strongly disagree with the statement that there are no safe ST tires. I have no doubt there are poor quality ST tires but I also know there are good quality ST tires. I also know that only ST tires (in the 15" size) are designed for use on trailers. LT tires are not. They may work but they don't have the same weight ratings for the same tire and LT tires are not designed to handle the twisting that trailer tires experience. I put Maxxis M8008 tires on my current travel trailer. They have an excellent reputation after many years of production. The newer Goodyear tires are made in the USA but they haven't been in production for more than a couple years at this point. So, if you want to replace the OEM tires, don't discount all ST tires.
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I am well aware you can get lemons in any make model and design!!! I always try to go into every situation with my eyes open and with the realization that anything is always possible!
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08-28-2017, 06:46 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Albuquerque
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Speed Rating on Tires
Trailer tires (ST) are being upgraded to higher speed ratings. I believe that most issues are caused by overloading and exceeding the speed rating. I upgraded mine both in speed rating (M = 81 MPH), and load rating. Many trailers come from the factory with barely enough load rating to carry the trailer. Once you load it up with everything you need and want to camp with they tend to exceed the load ratings of the tires. If you don't see a load rating, it means it is rated for 65 mph. You don't see many unhappy people after they change to LT tires. I couldn't find LT tires in 14" to fit my trailer so I'm stuck with STs.
Don't forget your tow vehicle. I had a front wheel blowout on my Powerstroke this summer. It yanked me out of my lane at 70 mph. Thank goodness I wasn't towing at the time. Even with tire warranty, two new tires were $450, and the damage to my braking system was $500.
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08-28-2017, 11:21 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2017
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mnoland30
Trailer tires (ST) are being upgraded to higher speed ratings. I believe that most issues are caused by overloading and exceeding the speed rating. I upgraded mine both in speed rating (M = 81 MPH), and load rating. Many trailers come from the factory with barely enough load rating to carry the trailer. Once you load it up with everything you need and want to camp with they tend to exceed the load ratings of the tires. If you don't see a load rating, it means it is rated for 65 mph. You don't see many unhappy people after they change to LT tires. I couldn't find LT tires in 14" to fit my trailer so I'm stuck with STs.
Don't forget your tow vehicle. I had a front wheel blowout on my Powerstroke this summer. It yanked me out of my lane at 70 mph. Thank goodness I wasn't towing at the time. Even with tire warranty, two new tires were $450, and the damage to my braking system was $500.
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Sorry to hear! Yes that is so true!!!
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