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Old 05-31-2020, 08:23 AM   #21
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Well, something is wrong with your numbers. According to the specs I found for your trailer it has a GVWR of 5413# with a recommended tongue weight of 413#. Even at 12% of total GVWR the tongue weight would be under 700#.
You're looking at a different model Geo Pro. He has the 19fbs.
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Old 05-31-2020, 10:19 AM   #22
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Your tongue weight is 600lbs. Truck weight after hitching minus truck weight before hitching. 6900-6300
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Old 05-31-2020, 10:35 AM   #23
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Your tongue weight is 600lbs. Truck weight after hitching minus truck weight before hitching. 6900-6300
Entirely correct. 5900-5300.

You were adding the weight from the front of the truck that was brought to the back by changing the rake to your tongue weight.
Tho fill your water tank and add a battery for dual 6V and you’ll be around 860.
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Old 05-31-2020, 10:43 AM   #24
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More important - whats the payload (sticker on drivers door frame)?
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1819 lbs according to the sticker....did I miss something?
No - I did. Hadn't seen a sticker like that before.
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Old 05-31-2020, 12:48 PM   #25
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You're looking at a different model Geo Pro. He has the 19fbs.
https://www.rvusa.com/rv-guide/2019-...g19fbs-tr41686

https://forestriverinc.com/rvs/trave...ro/G19FBS/3573

There's not much difference between the 19 & 20 model years.

https://www.rvusa.com/rv-guide/2020-...g19fbs-tr45020
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Old 05-31-2020, 01:40 PM   #26
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I had the exact same tongue weight problem with my GeoPro. A weight distribution hitch fixed the problem. I see, however, that you bought a new truck. It is my understanding that if the tongue weight is greater than 15% of the total weight, you could have sway issues, in which case a WDH is probably still needed. (Sorry if this has already come up, I did not read all the other responses.)
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Thing is that I'm sure that the OP should be using a good WDH with integrated sway control.
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Thing is that I'm sure that the OP should be using a good WDH with integrated sway control.
X2. Especially since single-axle trailers are more susceptible to sway.
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as a follow up . Do you have the diesel version ? if not I would recommend a Scan Gauge to monitor Trans temp.
I have a 2018 Colorado and when I scan through available engine parameters on the dash screen one of them IS trans temp.
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No WDH, that doesn't change the tongue weight does it, I was just under the impression that it just puts more force in an upward fashion to transfer some of the weight to the front tires of the TV so the weight is still there just manipulating the force. Am I wrong in that? And at that point if the WDH is 100lbs heaver isn't that bad in itself, that would put me at 960 lbs on a tongue that is only rated for 770?
Tongue weight is tongue weight on the trailer.
The WDH counts as part of and against your tow vehicle cargo capacity. It is NOT part of the tongue weight. It DOES NOT count against your hitch capacity.
The WDH, using lever action, pushes the tongue weight away from itself.

The design puts most forward but some rearward to the trailer axle(s). Yes, the weight is still there present but the WDH acts as a bridge lifting the tow vehicle rear and pressing outward. No different than sitting on the floor, planting your legs/feet forward and your arms/hands backward and lifting your bottom. No weight loss but it's being held outward
Haven't been to the Scales with my new truck, but with my Explorer & TT, the WDH pressed 220# forward to the steer axle & 80# back to the TT axle.
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The WDH actually DOES change the tongue weight - it adds another 75-100 lbs (i.e., the weight of the WDH) to tongue weight!
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I have the same trailer as you, your numbers seem off. I have a Shur-Line(?) tongue weight scale. With all my gear (chairs, folding tables, easy-up, clothes, food etc) but no water I'm right at 600 lbs on the tongue. My trailer has most of the options available; off road package, oven, A/C.

EDIT- as usual I posted before reading some of the later comments, that your weight is 600 lbs.
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also have the 19 FBS. towing w/toyota fj cruiser.

have a CAMCO R3 600 ReCruve weight distributing hitch.

had the trailer a weight. good so far.

i too was concerned about the tongue weight.
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also have the 19 FBS. towing w/toyota fj cruiser.
have a CAMCO R3 600 ReCruve weight distributing hitch. had the trailer a weight. good so far. i too was concerned about the tongue weight.
You're missing a locking pin on your hitch.
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You're missing a locking pin on your hitch.
hi, thank you, really appreciate you calling that out; luckily, others have as well, on another forum, so i am getting one. (from the RV dealer, when they put on the Curt frame mounted receiver next )

when the RV dealer sent us off with the new GeoPro trailer, the brake controller, the WDH and other items, they forgot to give us even just a regular pin for the hitch coupler. and i didnt know enough to look there to know i needed that.

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Tongue Weight Issue

It took me a while to set up my 2017 Colorado Diesel to tow my 30 ft Rockwood 2618VS Windjammer properly. The Windjammer is 6800 lbs with a tongue weight of 860lbs. To tow it properly I added 1000lb helper springs to the rear axle of the Colorado. I also added an anti sway bar to the rear axle of the Colorado. I also beefed up the tires to Light duty truck, E rated that takes up to 80lb air pressure.

The hitch I put on is a Propride 3p with 1400lb weight distribution bars. This hitch really handles any sway and the weight distribution. When everything is loaded and the trailer is on the truck my front end is only 1/4 inch higher then without a load. The diesel has no issue hauling the trailer even up some pretty long and steep inclines. I hope some of these suggestion may help with you enjoying your truck and towing the camper.
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You are not exactly right about the tongue weight calculation. You need to either measure the tongue weight with a tongue weight scale or take it back to the scales and disconnect from the trailer with the trailer tongue jack on a scale to get a better weight measurement. Measuring the drive wheel weight is not a tongue weight measurement. You have the equivalent of a lever from the hitch to the frame over the axle. I had the same squat issue with my Nissan and solved it with some sumosprings. You can also use a couple of bathroom scales to measure your tongue weight. Just google it




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Ok, my TV was a 2019 Chevy Colorado (7000lb max tow cap, with a 770lb tongue weight cap) I figured I would be fin with the Geo Pro 19FBS. So we loaded for the camping trip and headed off.



The squat on the truck was about 2" on the back and the front was lifted about 3". I being an old truck driver my first stop was a CAT scale. Here is what I was amazed with.


1st weight: truck and trailer and all cargo and occupants in place.


Steer Axle: 2680 lbs
Drive Axle: 3220 lbs
Trailer Axle: 3040 lbs


All within limits of each axles weight limits, I though "I am golden". So we dropped the trailer and headed to the scale with just the truck.
2nd weight: truck and occupants and any cargo that was in the truck at the time (which was very little).


Steer Axle: 2940 lbs
Drive Axle: 2360 lbs
Trailer Axle: 00 lbs (no trailer connected)


So that tells me I lost 260lbs on the front axle (thus my front end raising 3") when the trailer is connected.


And that my tongue weight is 860 lbs!!! Now we do NOT have that much in the trailer in fact my dry weight on the trailer is 3270. If you take my truck weight 5300 lbs (when weighed just the truck) and subtract that from the total weight of 8940 you get 3640 which means I only have 370 lbs of cargo in the trailer!


Now I had to purchase a new truck. JUST because of tongue weight. Does this all make sense? Am I missing something?
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Without going to a scale how can you tell if you have too much tongue weight? I am a newbie and just bought a 2016 Forest River Surveyor and pulling with a F150 4X4 super crew cab with towing package. My truck seems to drop about 2" when loaded to go out. Fresh water tank is behind the rear axle of the trailer but in the two trips I have taken I have filled at the camp site
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Without going to a scale how can you tell if you have too much tongue weight? I am a newbie and just bought a 2016 Forest River Surveyor and pulling with a F150 4X4 super crew cab with towing package. My truck seems to drop about 2" when loaded to go out. Fresh water tank is behind the rear axle of the trailer but in the two trips I have taken I have filled at the camp site
Without knowing which Surveyor model you have or more information on your F150, it's hard to answer your questions.
Generally using 12%-15% of the trailer's GVWR, is a good ballpark way to figure loaded tongue weight. I have a Sherline tongue weight scale so I know what my loaded tongue weight is.
Get us what the dry tongue weight is of your trailer and specs on your truck, especially what the payload capacity number is on the driver's door Tires and Loading sticker. It'll say "Occupants and cargo should not exceed xxxxlbs".
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Without going to a scale how can you tell if you have too much tongue weight? I am a newbie and just bought a 2016 Forest River Surveyor and pulling with a F150 4X4 super crew cab with towing package. My truck seems to drop about 2" when loaded to go out. Fresh water tank is behind the rear axle of the trailer but in the two trips I have taken I have filled at the camp site
You can measure tongue weight using two bathroom scales and a board or buy a tongue weight scale. Just google using two bathroom scales to measure trailer tongue weight
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