2021 272 fls grand surveyor

[campers302]

We are thinking of purchasing a used 2021 272 FLS GRAND SURVEYOR. What are your thoughts on this unit?
Thanks in advance for you assistance.

[tomkatb]

Size is sort of problematic for a half ton truck.

Tongue weight likely #1200. Length of 32’

Make sure the toilet is accessible with the slide in.

AC is a little small for summer in Houston.

[bikendan]

Too much trailer for a Jeep Cherokee

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[campers302]

Thanks for the feed back. really appreciate it.

[Dirthawg_]

Its a great trailer if you have a capable tow vehicle.

The toilet is accessible with the slide in for those that are not excessively overweight. It's a tight fit so suck in your gut if attempting to squeeze past the retracted slide.

The 15k main AC will maintain 80 inside with the camper in full sun.

I had my unit equipped with the optional second AC and it will hold the inside temp at 75 in full sun @ 100 ambient.

[campers302]

Thanks for your reply.

We recently owned a TT and here are the weight specs
dry weight 5574
payload capicity 1926
gvwr 7500
hitch weight 728
This was towed with our 2015 Jeep Grand Cherokee with factory tow package.

Suveryor specs
dry weight 6118
payload capicity 1747
gvwr 7865
hitch weight 865

Differences in two tt weight
dry weight 544 more

payload capicity 179 less

gvwr 365 more

hitch weight 137 more

Maybe you would not like to comment or maybe you know or dont know.
Do you think that weight difference is going to be too much.

Thanks Greg

[5picker]

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[campers302]

Originally Posted by 5picker

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huge text and all caps is considered shouting on an internet forum.

Thanks for YOUR help. I really APPRECIATE it. You have been so HELPFUL. I really mean it. THANKS AGAIN!

[Rhumblefish]

Payload and tow limites are going to be your limiting factor.

I'm going to guess that real world tongue weight on the newer Surveyor (listed at 865) will be over 1,000 lbs. You'll have to check the Cherokee's door jamb sticker to determine available payload, though the internet reports about a 1300 lb payload. 200# is not a lot of capacity for two adults and anything else in the car.

Internet also says your Jeep's max tow is 7,200 lbs. I'mma guess that wet-and-loaded, you'll be close to 7,000 lbs.

You're too close to the limit for internet guessing, you'll have to use real world performance and weight numbers, but - at this writing and with what we know - the new trailer is too much for the jeep, and - even if you'll be able to tow - you'll likely be whiteknuckling it.... unless you upgrade the tow vehicle.

Hope this helps. Just my .02. I could be wrong.

[bikendan]

Also, IMHO the length is too long for a soft suspension Cherokee SUV.

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[Dirthawg_]

Originally Posted by Rhumblefish

Payload and tow limites are going to be your limiting factor.

I'm going to guess that real world tongue weight on the newer Surveyor (listed at 865) will be over 1,000 lbs. You'll have to check the Cherokee's door jamb sticker to determine available payload, though the internet reports about a 1300 lb payload. 200# is not a lot of capacity for two adults and anything else in the car.

Internet also says your Jeep's max tow is 7,200 lbs. I'mma guess that wet-and-loaded, you'll be close to 7,000 lbs.

You're too close to the limit for internet guessing, you'll have to use real world performance and weight numbers, but - at this writing and with what we know - the new trailer is too much for the jeep, and - even if you'll be able to tow - you'll likely be whiteknuckling it.... unless you upgrade the tow vehicle.

Hope this helps. Just my .02. I could be wrong.

I completely agree. This trailer feels tongue heavy to me. Even with my F250 with air bags I get porpoising pretty bad on the highway overpasses. I would not recommend towing this with anything smaller than an F150. The short wheelbase of any smaller tow vehicle will be a nightmare to drive.

For some real world numbers here are my weight tickets, I didn't get an actual tongue weight ticket because I was only concerned with GVWR of the trailer. We have this trailer loaded to the hilt. Every compartment is full and the rear of the trailer is heavily loaded so I'm sure the tongue weight is a bit less than if it wasn't heavily loaded in the rear. Not much fresh water was onboard 15 gallons maybe and that tank is in the front of the trailer. Both grey and black tanks were empty at the time of weighing.

[Mr. Dan]

Originally Posted by 5picker

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[campers302]

You really need to let it go. What? Are you the word police.
I did not use all caps in my post only larger letter to make reading easier.
I thought I was doing a good thing.

What about all of this in your signature.

2015 FR Wildcat 295RSX / GMC Sierra

Nights Camped: '13 = 49/'14 = 74/'15 = 74/'16 = 85/'17 = 110/'18 = 111/'19 = 86/'20 =108/'21 = 115/'22 = 135/'23 = 36; Booked for 2023 = 28

Again, LET IT GO!

[campers302]

Originally Posted by Dirthawg_

I completely agree. This trailer feels tongue heavy to me. Even with my F250 with air bags I get porpoising pretty bad on the highway overpasses. I would not recommend towing this with anything smaller than an F150. The short wheelbase of any smaller tow vehicle will be a nightmare to drive.

For some real world numbers here are my weight tickets, I didn't get an actual tongue weight ticket because I was only concerned with GVWR of the trailer. We have this trailer loaded to the hilt. Every compartment is full and the rear of the trailer is heavily loaded so I'm sure the tongue weight is a bit less than if it wasn't heavily loaded in the rear. Not much fresh water was onboard 15 gallons maybe and that tank is in the front of the trailer. Both grey and black tanks were empty at the time of weighing.

Nice looking rig. Thanks for the information. Did you happen to see what we were towing previously? With such a small weight addition I felt it would be fine. We traveled across country and back with that rig and had no problems.
I certainly respect your information and will have to rethink what I am doing.
Thanks again.

[campers302]

Originally Posted by bikendan

Also, IMHO the length is too long for a soft suspension Cherokee SUV.

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Thanks for you reply

[Dirthawg_]

Originally Posted by campers302

Nice looking rig. Thanks for the information. Did you happen to see what we were towing previously? With such a small weight addition I felt it would be fine. We traveled across country and back with that rig and had no problems.
I certainly respect your information and will have to rethink what I am doing.
Thanks again.

I did see the factory weight info you posted which doesn't mean a whole lot in the real world.

What model did you previously have and how long was it? How much weight did you add in camping gear?

[campers302]

Originally Posted by Dirthawg_

I did see the factory weight info you posted which doesn't mean a whole lot in the real world.

What model did you previously have and how long was it? How much weight did you add in camping gear?

It was a Forest River Coachmen model 248 RBS. It’s dry weight was 5574 with gross vehicle weight of 7500. It was 29 feet long. We had a enhanced bumper set up and we had a rack on that bumper that was 4 feet wide 3 feet high 2 feet deep that we carried a lot of camping gear and probably about 150 pounds of gear in there. And then just normal clothes groceries and of course the toolbox. We had a small table top grill.

Like I stated before. We traveled from Delaware to Chicago down Rv 66 to San Diego California and back across the mid part of the country and back to Delawhere. It was a two month trip and there was not a moments problem. I commented many many times that the car and Trailer drove and felt as if it was one unit.

Anyway I’m giving you too much information. Again I wanna thank you for your input and your advice. With the dry weight only been 544 pounds more than Coachmen and hitch weight only be in 137 pounds more than Coachmen I guess we’ll probably see what happens.

That’s funny I wrote what I said above and 30 seconds later I’m saying well should I? L O L. It’s such a small difference.

[Dirthawg_]

Sounds like you had your hitch setup just right for the rig. I have a friend that pulls a 30ft surveyor with a Nissan Frontier that grosses close to mine but he is very careful how it's loaded and how much he loads in it. The Frontier has the power to pull it but its all over the road when it's windy (which is most of the time here in Oklahoma). He won't pull it more than a couple hours from home because it's exhausting to tow.

Only you can make the decision if you should attempt to pull a longer and heavier trailer with your current tow vehicle.