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Old 03-16-2015, 03:53 PM   #21
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Saying the OP "NEEDS" a ProPride or Hensley, is not true.

other time-tested sway integrated WDH's, like the Equal-i-zer, will do a good job too, at a much lower cost.
Especially for a trailer like the 233S.

but if you have the money and desire to have the top of the line, then go for one of those two.
If you take a look at my post you will see that I never wrote that, it was in the 'Quote' I carried forward, although I would not disagree with advising the 'Safest' action.
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If you take a look at my post you will see that I never wrote that, it was in the 'Quote' I carried forward, although I would not disagree with advising the 'Safest' action.
No offence but you need to figure out how to QUOTE someone posts, just giving feedback, you can tell you don't know how in this thread, just go back and see for yourself, just look at how I quoted you above and see the difference.....I have read your post more then once and the first time I read it you had me confused that I needed this ProPride or Hensley!!!!! Thanks for bikendan for saying something, because I already bought the Equal-I-zer when I ordered my Roo the other week!!!!!


Now I just have to figure out if I bought the right one because the one I got was rated for #600 tongue and for $40 more I could have got one rated at #700, I'm going to tell the dealer I want the #700 because of this thread!!!!!


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Old 03-17-2015, 12:13 AM   #24
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A 233S can be pulled by the JGC, but carried, it may need some help. I ran into the same issue looking for trailers, and owning trucks and having the attitude of hook it up and if it pulls it, it is good. You may need to do some mods to help you if it is close.

As for my setup, I admit that camp ready, full of everything (fuel, water, propane, family, etc), I am approximately 100lbs over my Jeeps GVW. Again, I installed some of the best brake pads, i put airbags which helps the handling a bit, even at 12psi (max 35), and upgraded the tires. I also tow at 60mph MAX.
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Old 03-18-2015, 09:53 AM   #27
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Don't forget the weight of the hitch. Mine is 50 lbs due to it being a sway hitch as well.

My wife wants the Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland which is 7200 tow rating and 1150 lbs payload. So..... 700 for the trailer, only leaving 400lbs of stuff, including people in the trailer. I don't think I would be any better off with it then I am currently with the durango.

Personally I am looking at the Dodge 1500 which has around 10k towing capacity and almost 1600-1800 payload depending if its a crewcab or standard chassis.
400 lbs for cargo in vehicle, people in vehicle is not a lot lol plus your pushing limits and not thinking of wind resistance, high winds ect. We have a 1500 Silverado as of now and pulls it great. We would love to get a grand Cherokee but I don't think it's up to the task.. Maybe a Durango would be better. Ask to take it home for a few hours and try to tow with it and see what happens. But don't go by dry weights plus anything behind the rear axle of the tow vehicle is payload or hutch weight. And don't listen to a Rv salesman about saying it will tow it because they are trying to sell you something and don't really care. And they also make you sign a sheet stating they are not responsible if your vehicle can not tow the unit.


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I am not sure which model GC you are looking into but the most limiting factor will be the payload limit. Most peoples vehicle set up are not overloaded in the sense they are "pulling" too much weight it is overloaded in the sense that they have too much weight loaded into or on the TV.

The GC has a payload limit between 1090 and 1270 (depending on model and 4x4 option). I'll use the 1270 number for illustration purposes and best case scenario.

1270 payload of the GC, your "dry weight" (unloaded without anything) of the camper is 602, there goes half your payload for a dry camper. Once you add gear, batteries, propane or even lets say you just load the camper to two thirds of its CC, so now the camper weighs 5500 and has a tongue weight of 690 pounds. 1270 - 690 = 580 left over. This 580 would be for personell (driver in excess of 150), luggage, cargo or anything that was added to the TV.

I am 220 and my wife is 150 and my son and car seat is 80 so that is 280 pounds and you say a family of 4 so add maybe another 50 ish pounds so 580 - 350 = 230 remaining for hitch, cargo, luggage, bikes, coolers, dogs or anything else you add.

So with the biggest tow capacity GC you could squeak by, but if you went with the smallest capacity GC you would be just over. Either way in my opinion you would be close by the numbers, now some people believe that the numbers are too conservative and just take it slow and cautions and believe they will be fine.

These are just my opinions and my estimates based on rough and "dry" numbers, do not take this as fact, I was just illustrating possible situations based on rough numbers I looked up for the 233 and GC. I hope I did help one way or the other.
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Old 04-16-2015, 09:35 AM   #29
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I just purchased a 233s , I can tell you my dealer loaded 2x 20lbs propane tanks and a Interstate marine battery and they took it over their scale .... it weighed it at 650lbs at the tongue. trailer itself weighed around 4526lbs.

- I don't ever intend on towing with a full load of water.

- For the moment I only have 1 full tank of propane, the other is empty (Swapped out my empty grill tank) We are only gone for a few days at at time so to use up 40lbs of propane is insane. If we stay out some where for a week maybe then I will fill up the second tank.

- We came from tenting and then a popup so most of our gear is light and compact....Soooo one night over a bottle of Irish Whiskey the wife and I decided since we had all of our camping gear spread across the kitchen we should weigh it all (Sleeping bags, cooking utensils, forks, knives, Keurig, Tools, Toilet Paper, Sewer hoses etc etc etc we had a total of 176lbs worth of gear .....Whiskey makes you do silly things fellas what can I say.

- We are also using a Blue Ox Weight Distro hitch (750lbs rating)

- For some added stability on NJ/PA/NY pothole roads we added the Firestone Airbag Suspension kit to the pickup

I am currently using a new 2014 Nissan Frontier, Crew Cab, 4x4 and short bed.
It pulls it along just fine, on some hills she def drops a gear and grunts but the truck doesn't sound like it's being punished. Even with our popup I never cruised faster than 60 -65 mph so the truck has no issues with this.

So that is just my firsthand experience with the 233s
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To me it's all about safety. When we were researching new campers I wanted to be sure we weren't anywhere near max limits. Wife's 08 Durango was too close for me so I bought a Ram 1500 hemi. So glad I did. Towed the camper (23ikss) maybe 5 miles with the Durango . Lack of power was noticeable on level pavement and the shorter wheelbase caused porpoising on undulating roads. Same run with the truck was totally uneventful. Just the way I like it. My opinion.....buy more tv than you need. You won't be sorry.
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To me it's all about safety. When we were researching new campers I wanted to be sure we weren't anywhere near max limits. Wife's 08 Durango was too close for me so I bought a Ram 1500 hemi. So glad I did. Towed the camper (23ikss) maybe 5 miles with the Durango . Lack of power was noticeable on level pavement and the shorter wheelbase caused porpoising on undulating roads. Same run with the truck was totally uneventful. Just the way I like it. My opinion.....buy more tv than you need. You won't be sorry.

I agree stay at no more than 75% or your TV max towing. Love hauling my Roo 23IKSS 5100# dry plus about 500# with propane, battery, gear etc and I bought a 2014 F150 Max Tow EcoBoost rated at 11,200# but I am about 6500# with firewood in the bed and some folding chairs, two adults, fuel, one teen and one dog. I just have to replace the P rated Pirellis with BFG X2 KO tires need an LT tire and these were always good for me.


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I am not sure which model GC you are looking into but the most limiting factor will be the payload limit. Most peoples vehicle set up are not overloaded in the sense they are "pulling" too much weight it is overloaded in the sense that they have too much weight loaded into or on the TV.

The GC has a payload limit between 1090 and 1270 (depending on model and 4x4 option). I'll use the 1270 number for illustration purposes and best case scenario.

1270 payload of the GC, your "dry weight" (unloaded without anything) of the camper is 602, there goes half your payload for a dry camper. Once you add gear, batteries, propane or even lets say you just load the camper to two thirds of its CC, so now the camper weighs 5500 and has a tongue weight of 690 pounds. 1270 - 690 = 580 left over. This 580 would be for personell (driver in excess of 150), luggage, cargo or anything that was added to the TV.

I am 220 and my wife is 150 and my son and car seat is 80 so that is 280 pounds and you say a family of 4 so add maybe another 50 ish pounds so 580 - 350 = 230 remaining for hitch, cargo, luggage, bikes, coolers, dogs or anything else you add.

So with the biggest tow capacity GC you could squeak by, but if you went with the smallest capacity GC you would be just over. Either way in my opinion you would be close by the numbers, now some people believe that the numbers are too conservative and just take it slow and cautions and believe they will be fine.

These are just my opinions and my estimates based on rough and "dry" numbers, do not take this as fact, I was just illustrating possible situations based on rough numbers I looked up for the 233 and GC. I hope I did help one way or the other.
The GC and Durango actually have a little higher payload capacities. I'm a big Durango fan having owned 2 different generations from brand new. Sadly, I'm not a big fan of WDH and unibody. So, it looks like a 1500 is in my future.
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That's a comparison chart, it doesn't tell the whole story. As I'm sure you know, options affect the capacities and capabilities. The ops in that configuration was as stated, but thanks for the chart. Either way that set up is pushing it to say the least.
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I love pulling our 21 foot 2109s with our 2014 diesel Grand Cherokee. This trailer is about 3800 lbs empty and probably 4500 lbs. loaded up. But I routinely troll the Jeep Garage forum threads on the new diesel GC, and people are happily pulling trailers as heavy as yours. I have cut and pasted Post #33 from "Bigadventure") under the thread for "towing RV trailer":

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I tow a 2013 25' Airstream. Fully loaded the weight is 6700lbs. The Jeep pulls great. I get 17-14 mpg at 70/75. I use Reese dual cam hitch with WDH. I took it to the CAT scales and set the weight bars so that everything is balanced and the weight is equal on both axels. I had the same high temps. But it never overheated. It is worrysome though.


NOTE: The reference to "high temps" in the above post is the fact that the diesel GC engine temp rises to near (but not across) the red line when climbing steep mountain grades. Some folks have handled this by managing the paddle shifters to keep the rpms between 2500 and 3000. Others (like me) ignore the problem and just keep going. I pulled our TT over a couple of 11,000 foot passes in Colorado with no issue, other than the gauage climbing to near the red zone. No one has ever reported actual overheating under this circumstance, so it seems to be more of a gauge calibration problem than a true overheating problem.
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I love pulling our 21 foot 2109s with our 2014 diesel Grand Cherokee. This trailer is about 3800 lbs empty and probably 4500 lbs. loaded up. But I routinely troll the Jeep Garage forum threads on the new diesel GC, and people are happily pulling trailers as heavy as yours. I have cut and pasted Post #33 from "Bigadventure") under the thread for "towing RV trailer":

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I tow a 2013 25' Airstream. Fully loaded the weight is 6700lbs. The Jeep pulls great. I get 17-14 mpg at 70/75. I use Reese dual cam hitch with WDH. I took it to the CAT scales and set the weight bars so that everything is balanced and the weight is equal on both axels. I had the same high temps. But it never overheated. It is worrysome though.


NOTE: The reference to "high temps" in the above post is the fact that the diesel GC engine temp rises to near (but not across) the red line when climbing steep mountain grades. Some folks have handled this by managing the paddle shifters to keep the rpms between 2500 and 3000. Others (like me) ignore the problem and just keep going. I pulled our TT over a couple of 11,000 foot passes in Colorado with no issue, other than the gauage climbing to near the red zone. No one has ever reported actual overheating under this circumstance, so it seems to be more of a gauge calibration problem than a true overheating problem.
Using a post about towing an Airstream, isn't a good representation of what it would be like towing a conventional TT.
Airstreams don't tow like normal TTs, that's why they cost so much more.
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Using a post about towing an Airstream, isn't a good representation of what it would be like towing a conventional TT.
Airstreams don't tow like normal TTs, that's why they cost so much more.


I agree especially since they are really aerodynamic but is that MPG right seems very high even for a GCherokee?


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I was told the tongue weight was 602, the spec on forest river web site says 602, how did you come up with close to 700? Does a WDH add to this, you say 700 to play it safe? Just wondering, thanks!
Everything on the sticker is dry weight. Take in consideration the 40lbs of propane, the battery, and even your hitch too. I have a weight distribution ball assembly that slides into my hitch that weighs 50 lbs by itself. This all adds up.
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Read post 29, he had it weighted 650...without WDH
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