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Old 05-01-2015, 01:06 PM   #21
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I do wish I had done the velcro option for 10 dollars....food for thought. It doesnt mean you have to use the velcro but would have been nice to have.
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Old 05-26-2015, 07:38 PM   #22
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My brand new 183 has bunk ends with vinyl flaps on the outside walls, and plain old cotton canvas on the sides. Not crazy about the cotton. My old pop-up would get soiled under the screen, by the end of the season, and I had to wipe the vinyl down to clean. Now I'm not sure what to do. I'm thinking I should make solar inserts that Velcro in, and protect the canvas that way. I'm also wondering how sturdy those plastic solar blankets are that maybe I can use spray adhesive to layer them onto something flexible, and use that for the inserts. The benefit might be two fold; protection & a little solar reflection....?


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Old 05-30-2015, 08:13 PM   #23
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I have a 2015 shamrock 233s and we just had a very wet and rainy camping weekend. We stayed dry for the most part except for some water inside the tent ends and on the inside walls of the bunks. Is this condensation or leaks? Can some one help answer that please. I love my 233s and so does my family. It is by far the best thing I have purchased for my family. I have hear about pop up gizmos and on Monday morning I am calling them and ordering the high wind covers for all three bunks. Click image for larger version

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Old 05-31-2015, 06:27 AM   #24
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Hopefully what you had is condensation. We had our 23ss for 5 years & camped through some huge rain storms with no water inside. Our son borrowed the trailer one rainy weekend & it was soaked inside when they returned it. I'm not sure what they did but we never had that problem again, even when we had serious delamination issues.
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Old 05-31-2015, 02:40 PM   #25
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Water on the inside of the canvas is almost always condensation.
Did you have the trailer sealed up without allowing for air movement? Did you not keep a vent open and a tent window slightly open?
Did you have the furnace going?
Obviously you didn't use PUGs, which would've helped but air movement is the key.
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Old 05-31-2015, 07:32 PM   #26
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Water on the inside of the canvas is almost always condensation.
Did you have the trailer sealed up without allowing for air movement? Did you not keep a vent open and a tent window slightly open?
Did you have the furnace going?
Obviously you didn't use PUGs, which would've helped but air movement is the key.
Bikendan is 100 percent right! we were camping 2 weekends ago and it rained Sunday night, all night till we packed up on Memorial day morn,when i folded in the rear bunk the water was running off the inside of the tent. Our son and daughter in law slept in it with the curtain closed all night. they said it must be leaking. And i probably need to seal the ends, they have a tent! I was surprised by how much water was there but, i have seen on here before where Bikendan said you dont have to worry about sealing the tent ends, if you have moisture it is more than likely condensation! When we got home i opened every thing up to dry it out. It rained almost every day since, sometimes a lot! Like 2 inches in an hour once! Every time i checked, it is BONE dry every where! Thanks Bikendan! By the way we have a 2011 ROO 23SS
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Bikendan.. Yes the furnace was on, no we did not have any vents open or bunk ends open. And no we don't have bunk end covers. I am ordering bunk end covers in the morning. Thank you for the info. I will start leaving a vent fan on.
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Bikendan.. Yes the furnace was on, no we did not have any vents open or bunk ends open. And no we don't have bunk end covers. I am ordering bunk end covers in the morning. Thank you for the info. I will start leaving a vent fan on.
Condensation in hybrids, usually happens with newbies that seal up the trailer as tight as a submarine.
Add the furnace heat with moist air from humans, without air movement and you get condensation.
PUGS will definitely help.
Most newbies find that PUGS and a cracked roof vent/tent window slightly open, will cure the condensation.
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Old 06-01-2015, 11:33 AM   #29
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I guess I didn't even think about some of those things. Thanks for the advice. I just ordered bunk end covers from Bob at popup gizmos. I had him add Velcro to the bunk cover ends. They should be here Friday. I am excited to have a more dey camping experience in two weeks when we go again. Thanks again for all the help on this site
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Just installed my PUGs. I glued the Velcro to the inner channel under the lip. I love these things. Awesome product. I will be using them this weekend. Can't wait!! Great job to Bob at pop up gizmos
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Just installed my PUGs. I glued the Velcro to the inner channel under the lip. I love these things. Awesome product. I will be using them this weekend. Can't wait!! Great job to Bob at pop up gizmos
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Old 06-09-2015, 11:23 PM   #32
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How do you attach the PUG s to the Velcro? Do you climb up on the bunk without putting up the tent? It would be pretty hard to reach over the tent roof.


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Yes, I used a step ladder to climb up. Once I put the Velcro in place then I go inside and raise it up. Pretty simple
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Can you leave them installed on the ends all the time?
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Old 06-10-2015, 04:56 PM   #35
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Do you climb onto the tent while it is down?


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Can you leave them installed on the ends all the time?
generally, you can't close the bunk door with the PUGs installed.
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Yes I use a step ladder to climb on the bunk ends while they are down to attach the Velcro then I go inside the camper and set up the tent ends. Once it is all set up then I attach the bungee cords on the outside and that is it . I will take more pics this weekend when I set it all up again. The pugs need to be removed before closing everything up when u are done
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there should be NO climbing on the tent, especially with the newer pre-attached tent ends. i can climb onto the bunk door, since i have the older tent ends that are the bungee and snap kind. i can simply push the canvas forward to expose the bunk door, without stepping on the canvas.

it's pretty simple, you use a short ladder to clamp the basic PUGs to the tent, usually along the tent seams.

the high wind ones attach differently, as far as i know.
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or you have Bob at PUGs sew velcro along the top seam, as airmech did and you have to glue or staple the other side of the velcro above the tent attachment.
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there should be NO climbing on the tent, especially with the newer pre-attached tent ends. i can climb onto the bunk door, since i have the older tent ends that are the bungee and snap kind. i can simply push the canvas forward to expose the bunk door, without stepping on the canvas.

it's pretty simple, you use a short ladder to clamp the basic PUGs to the tent, usually along the tent seams.

the high wind ones attach differently, as far as i know.
here's a YouTube video about them:


or you have Bob at PUGs sew velcro along the top seam, as airmech did and you have to glue or staple the other side of the velcro above the tent attachment.
I've been using one of those "extend a hand" gadgets from HF to attach the velcro end of the pug to the bunk end. Easy to do from a small step ladder. Sure wouldn't want to be climbing on the bunk ends and pull the tent material loose!
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Old 06-10-2015, 07:50 PM   #40
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Well ya ,I wouldn't be jumping around on the canvas tent end either. Nor do I climb on the part that has pressure on it. If the tent is down and the canvas is loose and not standing on the tension part of the canvas, how will it get ruined? I don't see any damage happening
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