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04-08-2013, 05:02 PM
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Location: Near North Bay, Ontario
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Old coot, I had originally thought of something like that, but DH wanted to adapt the brackets that were already on the table bottom with another piece of metal angle so that he did not have to remove the original brackets from the table base. The way he has done it, the top can be bolted to the old or the new base. I don't argue, I am just glad to have it done!
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Tina & Ted & pooches
2012 Ford F-150 XLT 5.0L V8 4x4 with tow package
Andersen WD hitch with sway prevention
2012 Rockwood UltraLite 2304s trailer
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04-08-2013, 05:47 PM
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Location: Texas
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Originally Posted by OldCoot
And I thought Rube Goldberg was dead. Guess not, he is still working on table legs.
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OC, I have a wiggly large dinette table (44"X27") with the 'funky' fold-down leg design.
I can't take another pic of it because it's back at the dealer for warranty repair. During a month of use, I started noticing little silver buttons in the carpet. It's the heads of the screws that hold the 'funky' to the wood table top. They're popping off (see pic). Maybe FR thought if they put the screws on way too tight, the wiggle would go away.
BTW, the wiggly legs catch on the edges of the slide carpet too.
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+ 2013 Rockwood Windjammer 2809W
+ 2008 GMC Sierra Crew Z71
+ 2002 Ford F-250 7.3L 4X4
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04-08-2013, 05:54 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Florida
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My table is just fine but I really like the look of yours, Timarti
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04-08-2013, 08:17 PM
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Join Date: May 2011
Location: Broken Arrow, OK
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We have the same table went to Lowes bought 4 26" long screw type wood legs stained them and installed 4 angled leg brackets. Legs unscrew for travel and table is very sturdy. Cheap and easy, did same for counter extension, its like having 2 tables!
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2003 Ford Expedition EB
2011 Rockwood 2304s
108 days camped 2013
74 days camped 2014 so far
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04-08-2013, 08:26 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Overland Park, KS
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Have a brand new Flagstaff 21FB with the "wobbler". If you try to rest your elbows on the edge it goes up and down like a see saw. I assume the need to have the table fold down has compromised its riggetity. Bad design.
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2008 Jeep Grand Cherokee (5.8 Hemi)
2013 Flagstaff Micro Lite 21FB
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04-08-2013, 08:46 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2013
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What I don't understand is why FR is still using these? Very apparent they're poorly designed and customers are paying big money for the RV. Think they'd be all over correcting this.
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04-08-2013, 09:00 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: South Flori-duh!
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I installed corner braces at the top and bottom of the legs and it is much stiffer.
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Lucky & Bentley the camping dogs
2011 Ford F-150 SuperCrew EcoBoost w/tow pkg.
2012 Rockwood Roo 23SS
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04-08-2013, 11:58 PM
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Hey ddemme
Is it possible to see a pic of how you altered yours - know it might not be possible
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04-09-2013, 07:17 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: South Flori-duh!
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Apparently, I have a crappy memory. I only installed the braces on the top corners. It works, though.
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Lucky & Bentley the camping dogs
2011 Ford F-150 SuperCrew EcoBoost w/tow pkg.
2012 Rockwood Roo 23SS
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04-12-2013, 08:26 PM
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Resident Masshole
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Southeastern MA
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Thanks for the pics, I think I'll be fixing my table the same way.
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04-24-2013, 09:31 AM
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Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Overland Park, KS
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Time to revisit the crappy kitchen table. Anyone have any new "fix-it" solutions?
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2008 Jeep Grand Cherokee (5.8 Hemi)
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04-24-2013, 09:42 AM
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Resident Masshole
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Southeastern MA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by acsimon
Time to revisit the crappy kitchen table. Anyone have any new "fix-it" solutions?
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I went all-in with corner brackets and self tapping screws. Reduced the wobble quite a bit, but the only way to eliminate it 100% would be to either replace the legs, or brace up each fold point so they can't move side-to-side (which would then make it impossible to collapse the table, so not exactly ideal). I considered a threaded rod from one of the legs up to the bottom of the table, to put tension on it and reduce the wobble, but decided it would just be too dumb looking.
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04-25-2013, 05:55 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Shelby Township
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Don't trash your tables yet
Just did our walk thru on our new '13 23SS. Thank you so much for the PDI checklist as it was fully utilized. The first thing I noticed was the table. Very wobbly!!!! The service manager said all of the, come like that and they don't understand why, but..... They developed a fix. They do a bead welded on each side while the table is level and that fixes it. A service tech did it while we were doing the rest of the walk thru. It made the table very sturdy. We aren't picking up the TT until Saturday morning so I will have to wait until then to take a picture.
Side question, are the '13's the first models to come with the fantastic fan "ultra breeze" covers? Both vents are the fantastic fan but the bathroom had the full cover like a Maxair but labelled "ultra breeze". I was expecting to have to add a couple Maxair covers to both but was surprised one was already equipped with the "ultra breeze". I had them add another "ultra breeze" cover to the front one too. These covers are made by fantastic fan.
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04-25-2013, 06:54 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 122
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cruze108
Just did our walk thru on our new '13 23SS. Thank you so much for the PDI checklist as it was fully utilized. The first thing I noticed was the table. Very wobbly!!!! The service manager said all of the, come like that and they don't understand why, but..... They developed a fix. They do a bead welded on each side while the table is level and that fixes it. A service tech did it while we were doing the rest of the walk thru. It made the table very sturdy. We aren't picking up the TT until Saturday morning so I will have to wait until then to take a picture.
Side question, are the '13's the first models to come with the fantastic fan "ultra breeze" covers? Both vents are the fantastic fan but the bathroom had the full cover like a Maxair but labelled "ultra breeze". I was expecting to have to add a couple Maxair covers to both but was surprised one was already equipped with the "ultra breeze". I had them add another "ultra breeze" cover to the front one too. These covers are made by fantastic fan.
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Welcome to the 23SS club. The ultra breezes came late in the 2013 model. When we bought ours in September it did not come with them.
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04-25-2013, 07:00 PM
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Resident Masshole
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Southeastern MA
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Ditto, mine came with the rear, I had to buy & install the front one. Manufactured Dec '12.
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04-26-2013, 06:52 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Texas
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cruze108
They do a bead welded on each side while the table is level and that fixes it. A service tech did it while we were doing the rest of the walk thru. It made the table very sturdy. We aren't picking up the TT until Saturday morning so I will have to wait until then to take a picture.
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Holding off on the L-brackets until I see your pics. May do something really overkill like force but bead welds may be a better solution.
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+ 2013 Rockwood Windjammer 2809W
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04-27-2013, 09:54 AM
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Resident Masshole
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Southeastern MA
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A weld is a good idea. I'd probably burn right through that thin steel with my welding skills though
I think I'll hit my bottom brackets up with some black paint to disguise them a bit.
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04-28-2013, 06:53 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Shelby Township
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Ok pictures will have to wait. The tech didn't do it right as the weld snapped on our first night of driveway camping. I was looking at it more and I want the service manager to do it instead of the tech.
We are putting together a list of mini fixes for the dealership. Table, bathroom fantastic fan, one running light and a gouge forming on the floor from the right side of the slide when the slide is brought in.
I did make some home made chalks. Thank you to all that helped with posting theirs on the site. $8 in materials and 2 recycled stickers from Home Depot (free). Completely removed the front to back shake.
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04-28-2013, 07:00 PM
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#39
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Member
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Shelby Township
Posts: 41
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Homemade wheel chalks
So easy to make. If you own a 23SS I will make them for you.
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05-01-2013, 07:27 PM
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Member
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 45
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We have the wobbly table in our Surveyor Sport 220. Since it's only the two of us, we removed table completely and replaced it with two small folding tables. Actually works better for us. They are lightweight, easy to move and use for different things and fold up very small.
Sudden Solutions™ 30" Personal Folding Table | Staples®
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