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Old 02-26-2021, 09:57 PM   #1
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Stripped and spinning lug nut

First let me say I know Im a dumb ass for not using a 6 sided socket!

Anyway, I decided to check and torque down the lugs on our new IBEX after putting 150 miles on the tires. Ao I grabbed a 12 point deep 3/4 socket and it seemed to fit well. As I began to torque the lug it stripped. After buying a special socket to remove it, it appeared to work but then I noticed it just was spinning and not back off the post.

Im going to bring the trailer to a friend who is much more mechanically inclined and has many tools at his disposal to attempt to remove the lug.

Any advice or experience dealing with this situation would be much appreciated.

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Old 02-26-2021, 10:04 PM   #2
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Sounds like you may have the lug nuts that have a veneer on them. See if this thread may help:


https://www.forestriverforums.com/fo...ml#post1296049


https://www.forestriverforums.com/fo...ml#post2157732
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What wmtire said. Also, it's best to avoid 12 point sockets whenever possible, especially on lug nuts. They don't put enough metal on the nut and are notorious for rounding off tough nuts or worse, they are more prone to splitting.
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Old 02-27-2021, 07:19 AM   #4
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What wmtire said. Also, it's best to avoid 12 point sockets whenever possible, especially on lug nuts. They don't put enough metal on the nut and are notorious for rounding off tough nuts or worse, they are more prone to splitting.


Thank you for the quick responses, After taken another nut off and inspecting it it does not appear these nuts have veneers. Leaving shortly to work in this mess.

I’ll update as soon as things are corrected. Still looking for additional suggestions and advice.
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Sounds like you may have the lug nuts that have a veneer on them. See if this thread may help:


https://www.forestriverforums.com/fo...ml#post1296049


https://www.forestriverforums.com/fo...ml#post2157732

Thank you for the quick responses, After taken another nut off and inspecting it it does not appear these nuts have veneers. Leaving shortly to work in this mess.

I’ll update as soon as things are corrected. Still looking for additional suggestions and advice.
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Let all know what you found to get it off.

Did you round the nut head?? As was said 12 point sockets are bad for this. Try a 6 point. or if rounded drive on the next smaller.

The only 3 things I see possible are. You 1. Rounded the head 2. The nut has a veneer or cover that came loose, or 3. the stud is spinning (which is less likely) .

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I know the road side assistant folks carry a special socket that they use to remove locking lug nut when folks lost or can not find the key for the nut. . It shears off the lug. quick and easy. Later RJD
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I know the road side assistant folks carry a special socket that they use to remove locking lug nut when folks lost or can not find the key for the nut. . It shears off the lug. quick and easy. Later RJD
My tire guy doesn't usually shear off a stud when the key is lost just drives on an older smaller socket, then locking lugs come right off with an impact. I've tried it, it usually works..

That will work though, but the stud would need to be replaced....... not a big deal.

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I suggest if you are going to drive on a smaller socket, don't use a chrome socket, use an impact socket. I've had chrome sockets shatter before.
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I have done that with some wheel locks in the past when the key got lost. Find a older socket that you can sacrifice that barely fits onto top of nut. Take a hammer and tap it on further which kind of locks the socket to the nut. Then use a ratchet wrench and remove the nut and throw it in garbage immediately.
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Old 02-27-2021, 10:31 AM   #11
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Did the OP say this was a wheel lock? I read it as a normal lug nut.
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Did the OP say this was a wheel lock? I read it as a normal lug nut.
No, the OP has just a wheel nut. His wheel lug nut got rounded out. Many wheel lock nuts are also round on the outside but use special keys that fit into the grooves on the face. So if you lose the key, you are kind of stuck. But since the OP has a rounded out lug nut and locking nuts are rounded out as well, tapping on a tightly fitting socket should be pretty similar.
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Stripped and spinning lug nut

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Did the OP say this was a wheel lock? I read it as a normal lug nut.

So here’s the scoop, it was the infamous veneer!

I took another nut off prior to getting the bad one off and could not tell it had a veneer cover.

The fix was what many suggested as did my neighbor. He used a beefed up 6 sided socket that fit tight, banged it on with a mallet then backed it off with his impact wrench (took him about 3 minutes).

Post/threads where not damaged, replaced the lug with one without the veneer and “Voila.”

Thank you everyone for the quick responses.

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Great minds think alike! Glad to hear you got it off.
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If you want to see many more millions of people encountering this same problem with these lug nuts that have the veneers, Google the term " Ford lug nuts lawsuit"
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If you want to see many more millions of people encountering this same problem with these lug nuts that have the veneers, Google the term " Ford lug nuts lawsuit"
I had same problem on an older Dodge Dakota. It had the 2 piece lug nuts and suffered the same issue on several OEM lug nuts.
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I had an axle (not axel) replaced on my Wildcat by a local service center and the hubs on the other axle serviced. They beat my veneer caps beyond usefulness. At Goshen a few months later, Wildcat technicians replaced them with solid lug nuts (my unit was too old for free service but these technicians had done work for me in the past). Based on a random stroke of wisdom, I checked to see if my regular socket would fit the new ones. Nope - so off to Menard's to get a new/sturdy socket.
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A related thought...

So many of our products and vehicles are metric today that some people don't realize that everything on trailers is Imperial (inch-based).
A 25 or 26mm wrench will sort-of fit on a 1-inch bolt.
A 27 mm socket sort-of fits that 1-1/16" anode rod on the water heater.
19 mm is close to 3/4".
13 mm is close to 1/2"
But these are not exact, just close. If that bolt or not is frozen, you're going to round it off--especially if you try a 12-point socket.

If you're going to work on your trailer, get a set of inch-based tools.

It's even more confusing with motor homes; the chassis is metric but the coach is at least partly Imperial. It's like working with Chrysler products during the transition--mostly metric, but old parts not yet redesigned like the alternator were Imperial.

We carry a couple of tool boxes, one or two with Imperial tools and another with Metric (in case the truck needs something).
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I had the same problem and got so frustrated I ended up taking a grinder to all of them to get them off and just bought 24 new lug nuts that didn’t have the veneer on them.
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Spinning Stud Happened to Me

As Oaklevel stated in Post #6: "The only 3 things I see possible are. You 1. Rounded the head 2. The nut has a veneer or cover that came loose, or 3. the stud is spinning (which is less likely)."

However, the less likely #3, the stud spinning in the hub, has happened to me. I ended up scoring two opposite sides of the nut with a diamond wheel on a Dremel and finished splitting the nut with a cold chisel. This may not be the best way but it worked for me. When I replaced the new stud, I put some JB Weld on the splines because the spinning stud had slightly enlarged the hole in the hub . I've had this wheel off several times since the repair and the new stud has held.
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