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Old 03-23-2017, 04:04 PM   #9941
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Woke up this afternoon (I am on nights so I do not normally sleep all day) and found four GY Endurance tires waiting for me at the front door !! I ordered them Monday!!! Got them from Discount Tire. I'll get them bad boys on when I get the trailer inspected next month.. For now the TT is in the snow.
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Old 03-23-2017, 04:13 PM   #9942
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Old 03-23-2017, 06:31 PM   #9943
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Looks like I need to check a few things. I'll pick up that pressure gauge tomorrow. The label on the pump shows it cuts off at 55 psi. According to the Sureflo instructions for the accumulator I put 53 psi in the tank.

As it is now, the pump comes on within a second or so of opening any faucet. If I shut the pump power off and then open a faucet I only get less than a second of water flow. It doesn't appear to me that the accumulator is working at all.

I did not install a shut off valve for the accumulator because I never use any of the anti-freeze stuff. Air only.
It sounds like it is not getting water, it should work like a water well pressure tank. Did you check the bladder air to make sure it's not leaking?.....
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Old 03-23-2017, 06:51 PM   #9944
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The accumulator tank needs to be 2 or 3 pounds lower psi than cut in pump pressure not cut out pressure. Put 22 lbs psi in the accumulator and you will fix your problem.
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Old 03-23-2017, 06:58 PM   #9945
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Old 03-23-2017, 07:10 PM   #9946
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Looks like I need to check a few things. I'll pick up that pressure gauge tomorrow. The label on the pump shows it cuts off at 55 psi. According to the Sureflo instructions for the accumulator I put 53 psi in the tank.

As it is now, the pump comes on within a second or so of opening any faucet. If I shut the pump power off and then open a faucet I only get less than a second of water flow. It doesn't appear to me that the accumulator is working at all.

I did not install a shut off valve for the accumulator because I never use any of the anti-freeze stuff. Air only.
I might be preaching to the choir, but:

It's hard to tell from the pics of these accumulators in this thread, but they need to be mounted vertically, with the water connection at the bottom. Most of the pics I've seen here either show them on their sides, OR the photos are rotated so they look like they're on their sides. That can be misleading if you don't know better. If you've mounted yours that way, you're only going to get a little water because half the tank will be below the water connection.
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Old 03-23-2017, 07:39 PM   #9947
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This accumulator is nothing more than a pressurized water tank. You can put it in any position and it will work. The air pressure should be plus or minus 2 # of cut in pressure. I like 5 # under.Just like all water well tanks. I've been doing well and pump work for 38 years. The tank will work if the air is right and the bladder in it isn't broken.
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This accumulator is nothing more than a pressurized water tank. You can put it in any position and it will work. The air pressure should be plus or minus 2 # of cut in pressure. I like 5 # under.Just like all water well tanks. I've been doing well and pump work for 38 years. The tank will work if the air is right and the bladder in it isn't broken.
X2 The bladder pushes in all directions with equal force.
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This accumulator is nothing more than a pressurized water tank. You can put it in any position and it will work. The air pressure should be plus or minus 2 # of cut in pressure. I like 5 # under.Just like all water well tanks. I've been doing well and pump work for 38 years. The tank will work if the air is right and the bladder in it isn't broken.
Not always true. If you don't have a bladder (and I don't know if any/all of these do - I admit I didn't go look up the technical specs on any of them), then what I stated is correct. You need the air pressure to push down on the water. As you use water from the spigot, it is being supplied from the tank. If half the water is below the level of the plumbing inlet, that water is UNUSABLE. In fact, you would simply start blowing air into your plumbing.

If it does have a bladder, then you're right, it WILL work (but it won't be as efficient as being mounted horizontal - as soon as the bladder reaches the plumbing opening, you're done. I'm sure that's why MY well water tank is mounted vertically, not horizontally.)
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The Water Worker bladder tank I used has an internal diaphragm that will completely fill the tank with air when empty. Air will never enter the pipes unless the bladder is damaged and it will expand the bladder removing all water from the tank when empty.

Here is an example from their website showing a horizontal well install.
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The Water Worker bladder tank I used has an internal diaphragm that will completely fill the tank with air when empty. Air will never enter the pipes unless the bladder is damaged and it will expand the bladder removing all water from the tank when empty.

Here is an example from their website showing a horizontal well install.
Yes. So if you mount it sideways and the bladder is actually constructed and is truly as large as it appears in the pic, the air will still tend to stay at the top, water at the bottom, and you will not get all the water out. Of course, you don't want ALL the water out, but you want enough to make it useful.

Just better to mount vertically if at all possible.
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Yes. So if you mount it sideways and the bladder is actually constructed and is truly as large as it appears in the pic, the air will still tend to stay at the top, water at the bottom, and you will not get all the water out. Of course, you don't want ALL the water out, but you want enough to make it useful.

Just better to mount vertically if at all possible.
What part don't you get about the "Bladder"? Youroo!!
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I have one bladder... After a few cups of coffee it works fine! Good enough for me!
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Old 03-23-2017, 09:40 PM   #9955
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Yes. So if you mount it sideways and the bladder is actually constructed and is truly as large as it appears in the pic, the air will still tend to stay at the top, water at the bottom, and you will not get all the water out. Of course, you don't want ALL the water out, but you want enough to make it useful.

Just better to mount vertically if at all possible.
I'm going to mount mine vertical, that way little or no water will be in it when I winterize. I'll be posting pics once it warms up enough and it isn't raining...
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Not always true. If you don't have a bladder (and I don't know if any/all of these do - I admit I didn't go look up the technical specs on any of them), then what I stated is correct. You need the air pressure to push down on the water. As you use water from the spigot, it is being supplied from the tank. If half the water is below the level of the plumbing inlet, that water is UNUSABLE. In fact, you would simply start blowing air into your plumbing.

If it does have a bladder, then you're right, it WILL work (but it won't be as efficient as being mounted horizontal - as soon as the bladder reaches the plumbing opening, you're done. I'm sure that's why MY well water tank is mounted vertically, not horizontally.)
You may be surprised to find your well tank has a bladder. They are normally mounted vertically for space reasons. without a bladder if your pump stops and you leave the faucet open you would loose your air pressure thru the plumbing system. you are correct when the bladder reaches the opening it has pushed all the available water out of the tank and either the pump has to start or you loose pressure in the water system.
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Yes. So if you mount it sideways and the bladder is actually constructed and is truly as large as it appears in the pic, the air will still tend to stay at the top, water at the bottom, and you will not get all the water out. Of course, you don't want ALL the water out, but you want enough to make it useful.

Just better to mount vertically if at all possible.
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What part don't you get about the "Bladder"? Youroo!!

I get ALL about the bladder. What part of my blurb didn't you read regarding the bladder??

Having a bladder is fine, but as I said, it doesn't necessarily allow ALL the water to be used if mounted horizontally. It's not the end-all/be-all in accumulators. Mounting position can be equally as important. And the smaller the accumulator, the more an issue.

Now if the bladder operated as a piston versus a bag, I'd shut up. But I don't see that in their diagram.

But if it's working for you, great.
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IMHO the bladder should push out all the water no mater the position of the tank. If you don't get every last drop out at time to winterize that same bladder would allow for frozen water expansion without damage. If I do this mod I am going to try to mount mine with the water fitting at the bottom. On my unit, the water pump is at the opposite end from the bed. One thing that has not been discussed is finding a small leak in the water system will be harder with an acculamator. I had a small leak last year, the only way I could tell I had a problem was the pump would come on for a couple of seconds every half hour. Turns out I had a small drip under the kitchen sink that did not leak all the time.
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