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Old 11-01-2016, 01:56 PM   #21
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Old Coot,,,, How much for your homemade solution?
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Old 11-01-2016, 05:24 PM   #22
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Really interested in this thread. We have a 2011 2304s and are tired of hauling bikes in & out of camper & had been looking at various ways to carry bikes. Ladder mount, front of car mount, aframe mount but this looks like what we are looking for. Do you think we would be able to carry bikes & spare tire on bumper with these struts?
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I had my dealer weld on a 2" receiver. See pics and attached diagram. I feel the frame is much better now than originally. To offset the weight of the bikes, I installed a BAL Hide-a-spare in front of the axles. See this thread for info on my install:

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Old Coot,,,, How much for your homemade solution?
Don't do mods on frames.
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Old 11-02-2016, 09:56 AM   #24
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I solved any potential issues by welding the receivers (2) to the bumper and then bolting them to the frame using the stock bolt holes and adding 2 with grade 8 bolts with custom cut bracketry .
I carry about 600 lbs on there. (motorhome frame)





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Definitely something I am going to order.
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Old 11-03-2016, 02:07 AM   #26
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Really interested in this thread. We have a 2011 2304s and are tired of hauling bikes in & out of camper & had been looking at various ways to carry bikes. Ladder mount, front of car mount, aframe mount but this looks like what we are looking for. Do you think we would be able to carry bikes & spare tire on bumper with these struts?
until we give them a try ourselves, all we can rely on is the assessment of other users,... and the positive comments of users in this thread convinced me they are worth trying, ..... actually, I've not read one negative review or post about them failing, from anyone who has used them( that's 100% positive), ... the only neg. on Amazon out of 71 reviews is a complaint about the price and his comment, "did not see", leads me to believe he returned them to get his money back and didn't use them, .... I bought, I installed and now I have no hesitation about using the bumper when the need arises, ....
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Old 11-03-2016, 01:13 PM   #27
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Not a frame mod, but whatever.....
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Old 11-13-2016, 07:31 AM   #28
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By drilling the frame and installing the 4Square SafetyStruts, does this affect the frame warranty?
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Old 11-13-2016, 07:55 AM   #29
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By drilling the frame and installing the 4Square SafetyStruts, does this affect the frame warranty?
Frame Warranty? From Lippert?

What is the frame warranty? Look through your documentation and see if you were provided with a copy of the specific frame warranty from Lippert as your were provided with separate documents for all the other supplied components.

Don't waste your time, you didn't get one.

I have requested it from Lippert on the phone and was told they would send it. I requested it in an email twice and heard nothing. I sent written requests twice, certified mail return receipt, and received nothing. I know they received the request and can tell you the names of the persons who signed for the letter.

Lipperts unwritten frame warranty / position is this as it was explained to me on the phone by one of their reps. If you drill so much as a hole for a wire clamp, or if you run in one of those thread cutting bolts for a WDH snap bracket, in their eyes you voided their supposed warranty whatever it is. That is if they did not approve the modification that is (in his exact words). I would like to hear their official position on these 4square brackets. I can pretty much tell you what their position is.
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Thanks, Mr Havercamp
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Frame Warranty? From Lippert?

What is the frame warranty? Look through your documentation and see if you were provided with a copy of the specific frame warranty from Lippert as your were provided with separate documents for all the other supplied components.

Don't waste your time, you didn't get one.

I have requested it from Lippert on the phone and was told they would send it. I requested it in an email twice and heard nothing. I sent written requests twice, certified mail return receipt, and received nothing. I know they received the request and can tell you the names of the persons who signed for the letter.

Lipperts unwritten frame warranty / position is this as it was explained to me on the phone by one of their reps. If you drill so much as a hole for a wire clamp, or if you run in one of those thread cutting bolts for a WDH snap bracket, in their eyes you voided their supposed warranty whatever it is. That is if they did not approve the modification that is (in his exact words). I would like to hear their official position on these 4square brackets. I can pretty much tell you what their position is.
Did they tell you how long their supposed warranty runs? I'm guessing 1 year, like everything else.
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Yes, 1 year which expires in February 2017.
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Did they tell you how long their supposed warranty runs? I'm guessing 1 year, like everything else.

Well you would assume so, but since they will not send me any specific documentation who the hell knows? I do know frame is listed on the form for the 2nd year Forest River warranty.

I'm not going down the Lippert road again with the whole story. I would hope if you had a frame issue and Lippert drops the ball, Forest River would go to bat for you. My case had nothing to do with any modifications and all I received from lippert was a lot of BS, lip service, and red tape. Basically what they wanted to do to repair water tank supports was deny me use of a unit I only owned for 3 days and could not, or would not, commit to any timeframe for the repairs. So I repaired it myself and screw their warranty. Prior to that I had a positive opinion of Lippert from an issue with a previous rig but now they can go get a big salt block at Agway and pound it. My next trailer will be one that has the least Lippert junk on it. That's a tall order.
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Old 11-13-2016, 07:53 PM   #34
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Did they tell you how long their supposed warranty runs? I'm guessing 1 year, like everything else.
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Well you would assume so, but since they will not send me any specific documentation who the hell knows? I do know frame is listed on the form for the 2nd year Forest River warranty.

I'm not going down the Lippert road again with the whole story. I would hope if you had a frame issue and Lippert drops the ball, Forest River would go to bat for you. My case had nothing to do with any modifications and all I received from lippert was a lot of BS, lip service, and red tape. Basically what they wanted to do to repair water tank supports was deny me use of a unit I only owned for 3 days and could not, or would not, commit to any timeframe for the repairs. So I repaired it myself and screw their warranty. Prior to that I had a positive opinion of Lippert from an issue with a previous rig but now they can go get a big salt block at Agway and pound it. My next trailer will be one that has the least Lippert junk on it. That's a tall order.
No frame issues. My frame warranty was [possibly] voided before I even drove off the lot, as I had my dealer install 2" receivers on both my Roo and my Mini-Lite.

I was asking more as info for others. Every time someone wants to do something like this, the very first thing certain folks here on this forum start saying is "OMG -you'll void your warranty!" But truth be told, it's not much of a warranty to void in the first place.

Having been on this forum for over 4 years, and reading thousands of posts in that time, I think the extra weight of anything you put on your modified frame will probably overload your China bombs before it overloads the frame.
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N Every time someone wants to do something like this, the very first thing certain folks here on this forum start saying is "OMG -you'll void your warranty!" But truth be told, it's not much of a warranty to void in the first place.
I guess it's the frame police? or maybe it's a frame or bumper fetish.

Every time the question comes up I can't wait to read all the posts about what can't be done, and how the warranty is going to be toast. I actually look forward to them as they're sometimes hilarious. For entertainment value the frame/bumper posts are better than gas/diesel, tires, and propane.
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4Square SafetyStruts bumper support brackets

My bumber is attached like this, is it any stronger than the others U see that are just welded?

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My bumber is attached like this, is it any stronger than the others U see that are just welded?

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That's sort of like how my Roo bumper was attached. There was a cut-out in the frame for it like yours. See pic. My bumper is at the top and the beefed up receiver frame member that I had added is at the bottom. You can see the cut-out in the frame member like yours.

I would expect that it's "better" than just being welded onto the end of the frame members, but I'd still be hesitant to put a bike rack on it without further beefing up.
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My bumber is attached like this, is it any stronger than the others U see that are just welded?
I would think it is, ...... its certainly got to better than mine was,..... I added the Safety Struts
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