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02-09-2015, 03:37 PM
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"Bumper Beef Up" under way
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02-09-2015, 03:38 PM
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I will post pics of the bumper on and all accessories next week.
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02-13-2015, 10:55 AM
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Now this is the kind of mod I like....take a light duty project and modify it to super-duty status. I'd like to start the same project before you patent this idea, if you don't mind. I removed the bike rack behind my Sabre because it was just too heavy and the welds seemed too weak on that sub-frame. Here's my ?, are you using the original bumper or should we beef that up also!
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02-13-2015, 11:14 AM
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Lookin good!
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02-13-2015, 11:32 AM
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Phat Phrog Stunt Team
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Location: Iowa
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This is an ultralight trailer your still going to have problems no matter how much you beef up the "bumper" and "mounting" brackets.
The frame is a ultra thin fabricated I beam that is NOT designed for this type of load "bike rack"
Good luck and pay your insurance premiums.
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02-13-2015, 04:46 PM
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I have inspected the frame and it is the thin I beam frame. All is in great shape after 2 seasons towing. No bending or welds cracking. I did however add some bolts through the bumper brackets and I beam. That should help solve the weld cracking issue I have read about. I have done quite a bit of research before buying the first piece of metal and feel confident that I have addressed the weak points that have plagued bumper mounted accessories. I do have a couple more ideas for more support and will take action if needed. Thanks for sharing your concerns and happy camping.
For the other question, no it is not the stock bumper. It is 3/16" thick by 4" square tube. The stocker was just too flexible and bends when just tightening the u-bolts.
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02-13-2015, 04:50 PM
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Phat Phrog Stunt Team
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Location: Iowa
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My point is the bumper is bent and out of shape because the bike rack is flexing the frame.
Now all you did was moved the bending and twisting forward on the frame.
The bumper was the "weak" point before .
I know this because I've been there.
Listen or don't I've said what I had to say.
Btw it cost me $1200.00 to learn my lesson.
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02-13-2015, 05:21 PM
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What all did you do to reinforce the frame? Or did you just bolt on a heavy bumper. I don't want problems and am not trying to be a smart a**. I have reinforced my bumper to frame mounting with 3 grade 8 bolts per side. That's in addition to the welds that are already there. Is my roughly 6" I beam going to bend down now? Or are the short sides of the I beam what you are saying is going to fail next? I've thought about tying the bumper bracket to the vertical part of the I beam too. The fact is, it's metal and can be reinforced. It's worth it to me to do all that is necessary to put my stuff on the back. Just some clarification on where yours failed will help me decide if I have more fabrication to do that I have not thought about. Thanks in advance.
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02-13-2015, 05:26 PM
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Phat Phrog Stunt Team
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PMickey
What all did you do to reinforce the frame? Or did you just bolt on a heavy bumper. I don't want problems and am not trying to be a smart a**. I have reinforced my bumper to frame mounting with 3 grade 8 bolts per side. That's in addition to the welds that are already there. Is my roughly 6" I beam going to bend down now? Or are the short sides of the I beam what you are saying is going to fail next? I've thought about tying the bumper bracket to the vertical part of the I beam too. The fact is, it's metal and can be reinforced. It's worth it to me to do all that is necessary to put my stuff on the back. Just some clarification on where yours failed will help me decide if I have more fabrication to do that I have not thought about. Thanks in advance.
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Pm sent
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02-25-2015, 12:40 AM
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Taking a while to get back on the bumper. Cold weather with snow and ice has plagued Eastern NC the past two weeks. Got some extra stuff to do for reinforcement but I will post pics once done.
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02-25-2015, 07:14 AM
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Senior Member
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PMickey
Started putting parts on for a bumper that should hold my stuff. Over the past 2 years owning my Solaire 317 BHSK, I have been hauling a bike rack with 3 bikes and a full size Chargriller charcoal grill. The bumper was showing signs of fatigue to say the least. It was bending where I had the bolts holding on the bike rack. Bad enough my sewer hose will no longer fit. I actually lost the bike rack once due to broken u-bolts. I decided it was time for a change. I decided to go with 3/16" square steel tube for the bumper and 4" angle cut down to make my brackets. All secured with 5/8" grade 8 bolts. The 2"x4" bumper braces were still in great shape and so were the welds. I decided to keep these and added 3, 3/8" grade 8 bolts to either side through the brace and the I-beam just to give some added security. My placement was 2 on one side of the beam and one on the other. See the photos for the progress so far. Brackets made and bolted on. Just have to drill and bolt on the bumper. After painting of course.
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Not advocating the mod. Looking at picture with the open frame end channel. Are there spacers preventing you from crushing the channel? Even some black pipe would work to prevent failure.
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04-13-2015, 07:38 AM
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Bumper finished with stuff installed. Made my first trip last week and checked at each stop for anything to throw up a red flag. Here is a pic with my stuff on while on the Ocracoke-Hatteras ferry. What is not shown is a strap going from the rack to the rear frame cross bar. I added that to help reduce the bounce of the rack. Before loading up and going I actually climbed up on the bike rack and jumped up and down. I had my neighbor looking at the attachment points at the frame and anywhere else there could be some flex. The only flex point is at the bike rack itself. It's flexing where it goes into the reciever at the coupler. The strap really helped with that too. I will definitely keep an eye on it, but I think I have it structurally sound. I know there will be some negative comments about this as there have been many accidents with bumper mounted bikes. Please look at all the mods done before posting a simple "this isn't going to end good" statement. I have done tons of research and even talked with one member about his mods and concerns to make sure I addressed all the weak points and reasons for failure. If there are any questions please ask. Hope this helps someone looking for a solution. Also posted is a pic of just how tight parking is on a ferry. The ferry guys are great at guiding you on first and off last to avoid any Scrapes or bumps with other cars.
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