PI surge protector wont turn on power

[Rolling buckeye]

Installed PI surge protector with remote display,when plugged in to house,getting 123 60H E-0. When I plug in to new Boily gen set it reads e-2 "open ground" and will not turn on power. Using proper cord,with 30 amp 3 prong end. Tried with adapter plugged in to reg outlet on gen set,tripped power on gen set. In the instruction book from PI,it states "do not plug in to inverter" the Boily is an inverter gen. Is this the problem? Others must be using inverter type gen sets,

Thought to call customer serv. at PI,but sat 5:50,too late,so thought I would pick Y'all's brains first! Help !

[TURBS]

Ground your gennie with a rod stuck in the ground and wired to your gennie.

Most gennies have a wing nut and a post to attach the wite to.

[TURBS]

Basically your gennie has no earth ground unless you do this.

[Rolling buckeye]

Originally Posted by f1100turbo

Ground your gennie with a rod stuck in the ground and wired to your gennie.

Most gennies have a wing nut and a post to attach the wite to.

Thanks Turbs ! I'll go try! U Da Man !

[TURBS]

Drive your rod into the ground a foot or so then attach a wire with a hose clamp to it.
Then hook loose end to gennie ground lug as pictured above.


Turbs

[TURBS]

All I got to say is BBC!

[fonzie]

I don't think grounding your generator to a ground rod will make a difference. In a normal house supply the ground and neutral are tied together in the electrical panel but not in the generator (not mine which is a Yamaha) So either you bypass your PI surge protector on your remote display or you need to do an adapter. See attached.

[TURBS]

Originally Posted by fonzie

I don't think grounding your generator to a ground rod will make a difference. In a normal house supply the ground and neutral are tied together in the electrical panel but not in the generator (not mine which is a Yamaha) So either you bypass your PI surge protector on your remote display or you need to do an adapter. See attached.

Your house power is also grounded to earth.


My EMS showed same fault till I earth grounded my gennie.

[Rolling buckeye]

Originally Posted by f1100turbo

Drive your rod into the ground a foot or so then attach a wire with a hose clamp to it.
Then hook loose end to gennie ground lug as pictured above.

Turbs

Roger . These are my connections. Still E2-PE2



Opened panel on front of Boily, n checked,ground bolt I att. to is wired to grnd o rec's and to gen frame. ???

[Rolling buckeye]

Ok bypass worked, but darn ! Would have been nice to monitor gen power too!

Next Problem.....



Aaaaaaaa. BBC .... Box ...... EMPTY !! The HORROR ! What do I do now !

Beerun !

[Rolling buckeye]

Originally Posted by fonzie

I don't think grounding your generator to a ground rod will make a difference. In a normal house supply the ground and neutral are tied together in the electrical panel but not in the generator (not mine which is a Yamaha) So either you bypass your PI surge protector on your remote display or you need to do an adapter. See attached.

Thanks fonzie !
There was no attached. Do you have a link to an adapter ?

[fonzie]

I attached a file in post #7 and I can see it...you don't? Here it is again.....you need adobe acrobat reader to open

[Rolling buckeye]

Originally Posted by fonzie

I attached a file in post #7 and I can see it...you don't? Here it is again.....you need adobe acrobat reader to open

Oh,I'm on an I pad,will check with desk top, Thanks again !

[fonzie]

Rolling, if you look at the attached boliy generator service manual, you will see that the ground and neutral are not connected together on the unit. That creates a floating neutral. Even if the generator is grounded to earth, there is still no referenced point for the PI and it shows and open ground. I just use the by-pass on my PI instead of the adapter. In a normal supply, the ground and neutral are tied together in the electrical panel and also grounded to mother earth. Hope this helps.

[Rolling buckeye]

Originally Posted by fonzie

Rolling, if you look at the attached boliy generator service manual, you will see that the ground and neutral are not connected together on the unit. That creates a floating neutral. Even if the generator is grounded to earth, there is still no referenced point for the PI and it shows and open ground. I just use the by-pass on my PI instead of the adapter. In a normal supply, the ground and neutral are tied together in the electrical panel and also grounded to mother earth. Hope this helps.

Thanks fonzie ! Using the bypass worked,so I too will stick with that.

[raytronx]

Nice little article explaining the problem and an easy solution.

Generator Ground-Neutral Bonding | No~Shock~Zone

Cheers Ray

[Rolling buckeye]

Originally Posted by raytronx

Nice little article explaining the problem and an easy solution.

Generator Ground-Neutral Bonding | No~Shock~Zone

Cheers Ray

Thank you Ray !
I think I can do THAT,probably with stuff around the garage.

[jmsokol]

I'm Mike Sokol, the author of the No~Shock~Zone article about Ground-Neutral bonding (thanks for posting it, Ray).

I've confirmed that this neutral bonding jumper plug works with the engineering staff at Progressive Industries, as well as "off the record" with Honda technical support. And as noted previously on this thread, "grounding" your generator with a ground rod in the earth will do nothing to correct this problem, and it's not really a safety ground at all. Nope, all safety grounds must connect to the ground-neutral bonding point, which as I've indicated in the linked article above, DOES NOT EXIST on many (most?) small portable generators. My simple G-N bonding plug will only cost a buck or two and take 5 minutes to make. Just be sure to jump from the Green (Ground) screw to the White (Neutral) screw on the Edison plug. The Neutral blade is the "taller" one in an American outlet.

Please send this link to anybody you know using a portable generator to power their RV: Generator Ground-Neutral Bonding | No~Shock~Zone

Mike Sokol
mike@noshockzone.org
No Shock Zone

[Rolling buckeye]

Originally Posted by jmsokol

I'm Mike Sokol, the author of the No~Shock~Zone article about Ground-Neutral bonding (thanks for posting it, Ray).

I've confirmed that this neutral bonding jumper plug works with the engineering staff at Progressive Industries, as well as "off the record" with Honda technical support. And as noted previously on this thread, "grounding" your generator with a ground rod in the earth will do nothing to correct this problem, and it's not really a safety ground at all. Nope, all safety grounds must connect to the ground-neutral bonding point, which as I've indicated in the linked article above, DOES NOT EXIST on many (most?) small portable generators. My simple G-N bonding plug will only cost a buck or two and take 5 minutes to make. Just be sure to jump from the Green (Ground) screw to the White (Neutral) screw on the Edison plug. The Neutral blade is the "taller" one in an American outlet.

Please send this link to anybody you know using a portable generator to power their RV: Generator Ground-Neutral Bonding | No~Shock~Zone

Mike Sokol
mike@noshockzone.org
No Shock Zone

WOW ! Thanks !
I purchased the plug,today,and will wire jumper,and try it out tomorrow !
And yes, Thanks again Ray !

[TURBS]

Mines not an inverter gennie and not small either.
I still learned something new today.

My gennie used to have a floating neutral 240/120 plug but has been changed to a standard rv 120/ 30 amp plug only.