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Old 02-09-2020, 04:52 PM   #1
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Today, I put a pair of Timbrens on the 2016 F250. I had people flashing lights at me at night while towing our Rockwood so I knew I had a bit of a sag. I wanted to address the sag which wad just enough to throw the lights up a bit. On my F150 I used airbags for stability and sag. I didn't need that kind of help here. I won't be towing for a few weeks but I expect good results. Fairly straight forward to put on.

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Old 02-09-2020, 06:08 PM   #2
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What was causing the sag?
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Are you using a WDH?
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Old 02-09-2020, 08:21 PM   #4
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I was curious why a 7k pound trailer was causing sag on a 250. Carrying a ton of gear or your head lights need to be adjusted. forgive me if im wrong I thought timbrens were for coil over suspension not leaf springs. I added timbrens on a old ram 1500 with coil suspension.
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I'm confused about this too. Please elaborate.
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Old 02-09-2020, 08:41 PM   #6
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forgive me if im wrong I thought timbrens were for coil over suspension not leaf springs. I added timbrens on a old ram 1500 with coil suspension.
They make them for a lot of vehicles with leaf and coil spring suspensions. They're really just much bigger bump stops, but the pair I put on the back of my Frontier do work really well.
I do hope the OP elaborates on the above questions, suspension enhancement isn't a replacement for a properly installed WDH.
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I was curious why a 7k pound trailer was causing sag on a 250. Carrying a ton of gear or your head lights need to be adjusted. forgive me if im wrong I thought timbrens were for coil over suspension not leaf springs. I added timbrens on a old ram 1500 with coil suspension.
I use an E4 WDH. The tongue weight on the camper runs around 980lbs. I carry about 500lbs in the bed then a dog and two adults in the cab. We have about 3,000lbs of payload to play with. I noticed that the suspension was soft when I loaded fire wood into the bed and it drops a few inches. When I put the camper on the hitch with the WDH it still drops about 2 inches. It's not terribly noticeable to look at but I noticed the headlights were aimed a bit higher.

If you guys think that the hitch may be off though I will definitely go through the set-up process again. Things do change.

Thanks in Advance.

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Old 02-09-2020, 10:16 PM   #8
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I have had a set of Timbren ,sumo, or aircells on my last four tow vehicles. The newer trucks all have some extra sag to help smooth out the ride. After the first 3 inches you get the stiffer springs.
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I have had a set of Timbren ,sumo, or aircells on my last four tow vehicles. The newer trucks all have some extra sag to help smooth out the ride. After the first 3 inches you get the stiffer springs.
Exactly. They look to sag even more if they are leveled or lifted. You can have a perfect hitch setup and be stable but it will look overloaded if you have a simple leveling kit on the front.
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How is the unloaded ride with the Timbrens? I have been looking at a set myself but dont want to sacrifice my ride quality either. Mine would be going on my 13 F350 dually but really for when hauling skid steers and such. Not too really any sag that I can tell with my 5th wheel.
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How is the unloaded ride with the Timbrens? I have been looking at a set myself but dont want to sacrifice my ride quality either. Mine would be going on my 13 F350 dually but really for when hauling skid steers and such. Not too really any sag that I can tell with my 5th wheel.
The ride so far is unchanged because the Timbrens don't go into play until there is a load.... or you hit a speed bump. I have noticed that the truck is MUCH stiffer when you hit a hard bump.

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The ride so far is unchanged because the Timbrens don't go into play until there is a load.... or you hit a speed bump. I have noticed that the truck is MUCH stiffer when you hit a hard bump.



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Old 02-12-2020, 10:27 PM   #13
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Adding Timbrens is comparable to adding the extra leaf spring that a one ton has that the 3/4 ton doesn't have. I had mine added by a reputable spring shop in Joliet, IL. Cost at the time was around $345 installed from what I remember. When not towing it rides just like it did before adding the Timbrens.

Before adding the Timbrens when towing the 5er the bed was riding on the bump stops and you could notice that the truck sagged a little. No more sag after adding the Timbrens.
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Agreed. If the Timbrens are installed correctly there is no change to the stock ride until you have a load on the truck.

If you were riding on the bump stops loaded you will notice no difference in your ride.

I did notice a little kick when I hit speed bumps because there is less travel in the suspension but that is exactly how they are designed...help when the suspension is maxed out.
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I found carrying a screw driver for headlights in console was all I needed when I loaded the truck camper on my dually. I even marked the adjustment hole under hood with arrow for down and number if required turns.


But on my MH I added them front and rear to help with the sway coming out of gas stations.
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I put Timbrens on my 2500. The truck looked level when I had my fifth wheel on it but after taking measurements I was down about 2 inches. The Timbrens put me back to level under load.
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Proper weight distribution will provide level towing but the opposite is not true. Towing level is not the goal but merely symptom or proper weight distribution.

Don't confuse the symptom with the disease. Timbren bump stops and airbags may make the truck level but neither does anything regarding the overloaded rear axle or putting weight back on the steering axle.

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Proper weight distribution will provide level towing but the opposite is not true. Towing level is not the goal but merely symptom or proper weight distribution.

Don't confuse the symptom with the disease. Timbren bump stops and airbags may make the truck level but neither does anything regarding the overloaded rear axle or putting weight back on the steering axle.

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This is true if you have stock suspension. If you have a leveling kit you can have proper weight distribution but it will look like it sags.
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Proper weight distribution will provide level towing but the opposite is not true. Towing level is not the goal but merely symptom or proper weight distribution.

Don't confuse the symptom with the disease. Timbren bump stops and airbags may make the truck level but neither does anything regarding the overloaded rear axle or putting weight back on the steering axle.

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Thank you Chuck, so many looking for a level TV/TT setup may be overloaded on the rear axle and adding stiffer rear suspension just puts more weight on the rear axle when loaded.
Only a properly installed/adjusted WDH can put the weight back on the front axle.
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Old 02-13-2020, 09:34 AM   #20
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Timbrens are very easy to self install. Got a set for Christmas and installed on my 2001 F-250. I have not used them with the camper hooked up and am interested to see the difference.


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I called and told them what I had and they shipped what I needed (different set ups for different trucks). Shipping was free, 214.00 dollars for the set. Took about two hours for me to install, but I was going very slow. I would say, 30minutes to install if you were in a hurry. They have sets for the front also.
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